Boat very close to towing vehicle

valvebounce

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My boat (14ft f/glass) is very close to my car when towing/reversing,would extending the central trailer support bar help with reversing?The boat trailer jack knifes very quickly at the moment.
 

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My boat (14ft f/glass) is very close to my car when towing/reversing,would extending the central trailer support bar help with reversing?The boat trailer jack knifes very quickly at the moment.

yep..big difference between long and short tongue
 

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agree with dingbat

the key to backing short vehicles is to see it start to jack-knife and correct immediately. many times you simply cant see the trailer start to wander. on my small utility trailer, I put a broom handle across the trailer so I can watch it in the mirrors
 

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If you increase the distance between the tongue and the axle that will help with jack knifing.
It will change the weight distribution though. You might have to move the boat forward on the trailer to compensate.
 

redneck joe

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yep and what Marc said.

i can back my 30' trailer perfectly. Little 18' i'm all over the place.
 

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The best fix for that is a boat that’s 21 feet long long😊 ok if your boats light you could sleeve the tongue with a bolt on tube otherwise I think welding your extension is best. E trailer probably has exactly what you need.
 

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Thanks for the input guys,my boat is only light in weight,it has steering at the dashboard,two seats and the outboard.
I can roll it round if the ground isn't on a slope quite easily.There is no cuddy/cab.Just a filled in bow in front of the steering.
I have wondered about increasing the tongue for a while.
 

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I wonder if the tongue was shortened by a previous owner.
it isn’t uncommon for people to damage straight trailer tongues and just shorten them as a cheap fix.
 

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If it has an outboard and you can see it in the inside rear view mirror, watch it to keep the trailer going straight.
Mike
 

M2HB

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My boat (14ft f/glass) is very close to my car when towing/reversing,would extending the central trailer support bar help with reversing?The boat trailer jack knifes very quickly at the moment.

Do you have any pictures?
I've seen several trailers where it is obvious that the PO shortened a damaged tongue.
 

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Modifying a trailer may not be the smartest approach. The most important thing is that the boat be supported properly and that it is balanced for the proper tongue weight. Adding a bandaid may throw everything out of balance.

My 19 footer has a tandem axle and its hard to jackknife. My jetski is only 10 feet long and it is a chore. Nevertheless, I wouldn't even consider modifying the trailer. My 14 footer is a nice balance in the middle.

If you have a SUV and you can open the rear hatch with the trailer attached, you're good to go. If you have a car, no issue.

Practice makes perfect.
 

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Seems like right after I joined this Forum I seem to remember a 10' rule of thumb between tip of tongue to the trailer axle?
 

JimS123

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Seems like right after I joined this Forum I seem to remember a 10' rule of thumb between tip of tongue to the trailer axle?

A jetski trailer or a small 8' utility trailer won't meet that requirement. Must be an old wive's tail.
 

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I really like the trailer designs that have an angle iron, where the axle is mounted, riding under the frame rail. These trailers have adjustable axle positions that allow you to change the center of gravity. It makes the process easy to make sure you have between 10% and 15% tongue weight. With proper tongue length and weight, the trailer will usually tow very well.
 

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If you lengthen the trailers tongue, you will also have to move the axle back to keep enough weight on the hitch to prevent fishtailing. Both of these changes will make the trailer less sensitive to directional changes, and easier to back up. 15 - 20 yrs ago I on occasion had to tow an mobile air compressor to remote work sites. The compressors axle to the hitch distance was very short, probably less than 6 feet, so it was very squirrelly while backing it up. Some sites required either backing in or backing out up to a 1/4 mile with no place to turn around. Since my truck had a camper like doghouse on it it was not possible to look out the rear window and I learned that if I could not see the compressor in the side mirrors it was directly behind the truck. If it appeared in either mirror it was time to stop, pull ahead and adjust the path.

Tandem and Triple axle trailers are very resistant to changes in direction at low speeds, but they can be jackknifed with enough determination. If the multi axle trailers that have torsion axles are not set up to provide the proper tongue weight and the trailer frame parallel to the road while hitched up the load won't be equally shared by the axles. Spring axles have an equalizer link between each axle's springs to spread the load

The 10% weight on the tongue is not an old wives tale. While most of the time you can get by with 7 or 8 percent, 10 pretty much reduces the chance of a fishtail getting violent enough to cause loss of control. Either move the axle back, or like in the case of a short utility trailer, place the heaviest part of the load at the front of the trailer. If the tongue weight exceeds what the Hitch's dead weight spec is then a Load Distribution system needs to be installed, which brings in more variables
 

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Thanks for all the interest,my trailer has a single rectangular box section for it's full length,with angular supports from the axle to the main support box section.I can move the boat about by hand quite easily on the trailer.
I think extending the tongue a couple of feet won't spoil the balance of the boat on the trailer.The boat is very light in weight,the problem I have is backing it because it is too close to the car...ie,the rear door will not clear the winch when hitched up.(I have a VW Golf estate/station wagon)
 

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Pictures would help.

what is the tongue made of? Is it 3” x 4”!rrctangular tube?
That is a common size. If so, around here, steel suppliers will sell material in 10’ lengths. I would extend the tongue with new material.
 

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Don't "extend" it, but rather "replace" it with one longer piece of the same material.
 
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