bolts to pull flywheel

joho5

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is the size of bolt to go with the harmonic puller a 1/4" grade 8 bolt?

i wasnt sure of the size, I know it needs to be grade 8, but I am picking up some today and I didnt grab one from home so I dont remember the size.

thanks

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71 Johnson 9.5 flywheel
 

wavrider

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Re: bolts to pull flywheel

is the size of bolt to go with the harmonic puller a 1/4" grade 8 bolt?

i wasnt sure of the size, I know it needs to be grade 8, but I am picking up some today and I didnt grab one from home so I dont remember the size.

thanks

ps
71 Johnson 9.5 flywheel

1/4"x20 grade 8 I believe is the correct size.
 

elhombre

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Re: bolts to pull flywheel

Be sure to get the correct diameter and thread pitch of grade 8 bolt. a coarse thread bolt will pull fine threads out of a fine threaded flywheel. and vise-versa. the bolts should thread fairly easily by hand. My 150 omc is a "5/16 by 28 threads per inch. have fun.
 

CATransplant

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Re: bolts to pull flywheel

If I'm not mistaken, the flywheel threads on most OMC flywheels are fine thread, not coarse, whatever the diameter is.

If you're not sure, buy both.

Also, be sure to buy two Grade 8 flat washers for each bolt. Normal flat washers will simply bend and offer no support in the puller.

Finally, make sure the bolts you buy are long enought to allow mounting of the puller on the flywheel. If I remember correctly, I had to buy 3 1/2" long bolts for my puller.
 

Tim Frank

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Re: bolts to pull flywheel

That would make sense.
So, if 1/4" bolts, they would be 1/4-28UNF
 

R.Johnson

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Re: bolts to pull flywheel

The bolts are a 1/4-20. They should be a shouldered bolt such as a stripper bolt. This bolt will not put all of the stress on the threads. I have probably posted this a dozen times, but use a grade 8 bolt, and pull the treads out. A grade 8 bolt pulling on the threads is a grade 8 bolt. It will not pull in two, but is doing all of the pulling on the threads.
 

BF

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Re: bolts to pull flywheel

just a ditto on the bolts... 1/4" 20 tpi is what fits the holes on my '70 25 hp.
 

elhombre

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Re: bolts to pull flywheel

Are you sure?
5/16-24 is the standard UNF (fine thread), 5/16-28 would be a UNS(pecial).
Tim, you may be right on my thread pitch. I just wanted to stress the importance of using the correct bolt. I've pulled threads out in the past, and I hate having to make a repair just to do a job twice- cheers!
 

Tim Frank

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Re: bolts to pull flywheel

I just wanted to stress the importance of using the correct bolt. I've pulled threads out in the past, and I hate having to make a repair just to do a job twice- cheers!

I completely agree but I am worried that this thread is possibly getting to the point where it might be passing on bad or confusing information.

We are starting with a presumption that grade 8 bolts are required for this.
As a former T&D Maker, that makes some sense to me, although I would suspect that it might be belt and suspenders.
Where did this Grade 8 requirement originate?
As far as using or not using a grade 8 bolt....there is nothing inherent in a grade 8 bolt that will make it pull threads out. A grade 8 bolt is simply a very strong bolt and generally less likely to break than a lower grade. If you bolt up a wheel puller to a flywheel and start tightening, if the flywheel does not "pop" and you keep tightening, something will give. Either a bolt will break, or tear out of the tapped hole in the flywheel. If a bolt breaks under the amount of tension that a wheel puller can exert, it can become a projectile ~ hence why a higher grade might be a good idea. If you use a higher grade bolt it is more likely to strip out of the threaded hole.

It was suggested that most OMC flywheels are threaded UNF ~ fine thread. That certainly makes a lot of sense. Fine threads are more resistant to tear-out. Personally, I have no idea what thread series OMC actually has used, but what I can say uncategorically is that the metal used in the OMC flywheels that I have seen is soft enough that there would be little difficulty in most cases in turning a coarse thread steel fastener into a fine thread hole. You would actually form a kind of messed up hybrid thread which might hold....or... as R.Johnson says, maybe "it will pull in two".
The moral is, find out what thread is in play before "trying to see whether what you buy will thread in". It might, even though it would have been better if it hadn't. :)

There was also a statement that shoulder bolts/ stripper bolts are required? For what purpose? It is claimed that "this bolt will not put all of the stress on the threads." Where else could a bolt put stress?
The only reason to use these is if there is a clearance issue and thread penetration limitation is required. I don't see it.
Of course, if you had some on hand, there would certainly be no reason NOT to use them.
 

R.Johnson

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Re: bolts to pull flywheel

The original OMC puller comes with shouldered, or what is called in the machine trade a stripper bolt. When the bolt is pulled up tight to the shoulder, they are then of course, all the same length. Pulling up tight to the shoulder puts more of the threaded length of the bolt under even tension, resulting in a tighter, more even grip of the threads. A thick, hardened steel washer is also much better. A standard, thin steel washer will start to bend when used on the tighter flywheels, resulting in an uneven pull. The bolt kit that comes with the OMC puller will last for years. I think I bought mine in the early 60's.
 
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