Bomb found in car in London

[kenimpzoom]

Re: Bomb found in car in London

If these bozo muslims ever get their stuff together, they will realize that several cheap crude bombs create more terror than one big bomb.

The types of attacks in the UK are just that.

What if this type of thing happens every day? It would have a serious effect on the economy when everyone is afraid to leave the house.

Ken

 

[Bondo]

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Ayuh,..........

This $h!t is getting Way to Close to Home for Myself,................

My Love, Debbie is up on a mountain, on an island off the Scottish North Atlantic coast right now,.......

She just walked thru that terminal over there in Glasgow earlier this week............
And She'll be returning in another couple weeks..........

I'll admit,...... I'm nervous........

 

[POINTER94]

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Posted by cheburashka

See the Government. - Government by definition restricts the rights of people, theorhetically for the good of all, not so much in practice. Google "Stalin, deaths."

See the "Average Person." - Is there such a thing? Not exactly a liberal premise.

The Government wants to keep the average person under control. - That is what governments all seek to do. The United States was founded under the belief in "Limited Government". Not going so well is it?

It knows it can do so through fear. (See global warming) - And taxes, and regulation, and by force, and the latest - guilt! By the way, fear is a "reaction". Not all of us are frightened, some of us would like that to be turned around. Heaven forbid we report terroristic events, it might cause the weak to become "afraid".

It also knows that creating fear, then pretending to attack the cause of the fear is a good way to create a sense of reliance on government. - No, not always, they can empower the populace to "defend" themselves. The French have tried smarmy arrogance and nationalistic self-rightousness. But that has proven to be a complete failure. I think surrendering to the "cause" would be a better approach, perhaps ignoring the "cause" would prove successful (see your Gemany in the 30's analogy), well maybe not, (how exactly was Nazi Germany defeated?) How about embracing the "cause"? Perhaps you could become a famous burka designer!!

Thank you - Thank you - Thank you for your valuable insights and the "lesson". I guess I missed the whole part where you outlined your plan forward on how to handle these "misunderstandings". Funny, aside from the topic, you sound just like Rush Limbaugh..

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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A truck load of fertilizer mixed with fuel oil is a significant bomb. a 50 gallon drum of gas may be an incendary device, but it ain't no dangerous bomb.

PW, what about those propane tanks, they aren't dangerous either? And the nails arranged to inflict more damage isn't dangerous either? It aint dangerous to you, but I sure don't want to be anywhere close to one. Throw a propane cylinder in a fire and stick around to see what happens. I witnessed one that was accidently burned. It was one of the small 1lb tanks. It blew everything out of the burn pit. Just glad there wasn't any projectiles or lots of people sitting around the fire could have been seriously hurt other than the minor burns we got.

I'm thinking that the gas was there to work as a fuse for the propane. Nothing worse than a double explosion. After the first one goes off, rescuers will respond only to be killed by the propane tanks for the second explosion. Being shredded by nails and fire does not sound like a way to lose your life. However the killers know this and is why they do what they do. Never under estimate the enemy or your dead.

 

[QC]

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Do I read this thread right? PW and this cherub dude think the issue is the size and capability of these bombs? So . . . you get really mad when the bombs kill and maim, but not until? Can I conclude that?

If you want to understand fear in a modern context may I suggest Crichton's State of Fear? Just replace Global Warming with any other irrational fear and you'd be good. However, this particular fear is NOT irrational . . . doesn't cherub boy's entire premise rest on the fear being irrational . . .

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Do I read this thread right? PW and this cherub dude think the issue is the size and capability of these bombs? So . . . you get really mad when the bombs kill and maim, but not until? Can I conclude that?

If you want to understand fear in a modern context may I suggest Crichton's State of Fear? Just replace Global Warming with any other irrational fear and you'd be good. However, this particular fear is NOT irrational . . . doesn't cherub boy's entire premise rest on the fear being irrational . . .

Ya mean like WMD's in Iraq?......
I see they have finally disbanded the search force.....

 

[12Footer]

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So this thread needs to be derail;ed, HM?
You feel the need to drag-up your liberal BS about "Bush lied, people died" and other WMDBS?
Well ok then;
Click away, alqueda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JE48XHKG64&eurl=]from September 29th of 1992
Joe Biden > August 4, 2002
"This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world, and this is a guy who is in every way possible seeking weapons of mass destruction."



Chuck Schumer > October 10, 2002
"It is Hussein's vigorous pursuit of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons, and his present and future potential support for terrorist acts and organizations that make him a danger to the people of the united states."



John Kerry > January 23, 2003
"Without question we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator leading an impressive regime. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he's miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. His consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction."


Sandy Berger > February 18, 1998


"He'll use those weapons of mass destruction again as he has 10 times since 1983."


Senator Carl Levin > September 19, 2002


"We begin with a common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations, is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."


Senator Hillary Clinton > October 10, 2002


"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock. His missile delivery capability, his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists including Al-Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."




Madeleine Albright > November 10, 1999

"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."


Robert Byrd > October 3, 2002


"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of '98. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons."


Al Gore > September 23, 2002


"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter, and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."



Joe Biden > August 4, 2002
"I think he has anthrax. I have not seen any evidence that he has smallpox, but you hear them say, Tim (Russert), is the last smallpox outbreak in the world was in Iraq; ergo, he may have a strain."



Bill Clinton > December 17, 1998
"Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq.... Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors."



Hillary Clinton > October 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspections, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability and his nuclear program."



**** Gephardt > September 23, 2002
"(I have seen) a large body of intelligence information over a long time that he is working on and has weapons of mass destruction. Before 1991, he was close to a nuclear device. Now, you'll get a debate about whether it's one year away or five years away."



Russell Feingold > October 9, 2002
"With regard to Iraq, I agree Iraq presents a genuine threat, especially in the form of weapons of mass destruction: chemical, biological and potentially nuclear weapons. I agree that Saddam Hussein is exceptionally dangerous and brutal, if not uniquely so, as the president argues."



Johnny Edwards > January 7, 2003
"Serving on the intelligence committee and seeing day after day, week after week, briefings on Saddam's weapons of mass destruction and his plans on using those weapons, he cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons. It's just that simple. The whole world changes if Saddam ever has nuclear weapons."



John Kerry > January 31, 2003
"If you don't believe...Saddam Hussein
is a threat with nuclear weapons, then
you shouldn't vote for me."



Bill Nelson > September 14, 2002
"I believe he has chemical and biological weapons. I think he's trying to develop nuclear weapons, and the fact that he might use those is a considerable threat to us."



Al Gore > September 23, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

 

[12Footer]

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Tom Daschle > February 11, 1998
"The (Clinton) administration has said, 'Look, we have exhausted virtually our diplomatic effort to get the Iraqis to comply with their own agreements and with international law. Given that, what other option is there but to force them to do so?' That's what they're saying. This is the key question. And the answer is we don't have another option. We have got to force them to comply, and we are doing so militarily."



Bill Richardson > May 29, 1998
"The threat of nuclear proliferation is one of the big challenges that we have now, especially by states that have nuclear weapons, outlaw states like Iraq."



Hillary Clinton > October 10, 2002
"It is clear, however, that if left unchecked Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capability to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."



Al Gore > December 16, 1998
"f you allow someone like Saddam Hussein to get nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, chemical weapons, biological weapons, how many people is he going to kill with such weapons? He has already demonstrated a willingness to use such weapons..."





Bill Clinton > February 17, 1998


"If Saddam rejects peace, and we have to use force, our purpose is clear: We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."


Madeleine Albright > February 1, 1998


"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and the security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."


Nancy Pelosi > December 16, 1998


"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."


Al Gore > September 23, 2002


"We know that he has stored nuclear supplies, secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."


John Kerry > October 9, 2002


"I will be voting to give the president of the US the authority to use force if necessary to disarm Saddam because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."


Ted Kennedy > September 27, 2002


"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."


Jay Rockefeller > October 10, 2002


"There was unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. We also should remember that we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."


Joe Biden > August 4, 2002


"[H]e does have the capacity, as all terrorist-related operations do, of smuggling stuff into the United States and doing something terrible. That is true. But there's been no connection, hard connection made yet between he and al-Qaida or his willingness or effort to do that thus far. Doesn't mean he won't. This is a bad guy."



Madeline Albright > February 18, 2002
Iraq is a long way from (here), but what happens there matters a great deal here, for the risk that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest national security threat we face -- and it is a threat against which we must and will stand firm."



Jane Harman > August 27, 2002
"I certainly think (Hussein's) developing nuclear capability which, fortunately, the Israelis set back 20 years ago with their preemptive attack which, in hindsight, looks pretty darn good."



**** Durbin > September 30, 1999
"One of the most compelling threats we in this country face today is the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. Threat assessments regularly warn us of the possibility that North Korea, Iran, Iraq, or some other nation may acquire or develop nuclear weapons."



Bill Nelson > August 25, 2002
"[M]y own personal view is, I think Saddam
has chemical and biological weapons,
and I expect that he is trying to develop
a nuclear weapon. So at some point,
we might have to act precipitously."



Nancy Pelosi > October 10, 2002
"Yes, he has chemical weapons. Yes, he has biological weapons. He is trying to get nuclear weapons."



Evan Bayh > August 4, 2002
"I'm inclined to support going in there and dealing with Saddam, but I think that case
needs to be made on a separate basis: his possession of biological and chemical weapons, his desire to get nuclear weapons, his proven track record of attacking his neighbors and others."



Bill Clinton > February 17, 1998
"We have to defend our future from these predators of the 21st Century.... They will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen. There is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein."



Hillary Clinton > January 22, 2003
"I voted for the Iraqi resolution. I consider the prospect of a nuclear-armed Saddam Hussein who can threaten not only his neighbors but the stability of the region and the world, a very serious threat to the United States."



Joe Biden > August 4, 2002
"We know he continues to attempt to gain access to additional capability, including nuclear capability."



Johnny Edwards > February 6, 2003
"The question is whether we're going to allow this man who's been developing weapons of mass destruction continue to develop weapons of mass destruction, get nuclear capability and get to the place where -- if we're going to stop him if he invades a country around him -- it'll cost millions of lives as opposed to thousands of lives."



Joe Biden > August 4, 2002
"First of all, we don't know exactly what he has. It's been five years since inspectors have been in there, number one. Number two, it is clear that he has residual of chemical weapons and biological weapons, number one."


Senator Bob Graham > December 8, 2002


"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has and has had for a number of years a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."



John Kerry > February 23, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East."

 

[12Footer]

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I hope you got enough liberal material there to debunk your own ideological BS and join the AMERICAN side of this war. I just know, someday (may be after Mocky-mood drops a nuke on yo mamma's haid, but someday) you'll abandon the enemy to it's fate.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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That long list of Shiite was spawned by bad itellegence.....
Whether it was 'doctered up' who can tell?.....
Oh, & Iran isn't actively seeking WMD?......
Yet "Duh"bya is willing to sit on his hands & wait this one out......
Why is that?.......
Anyway, to get back on tracck with regard to this thread.....
I hope they escalate with the bombings throughout the world, so much so that enough people die & force action to be taken..... With a little luck & Alot of resolve, the scourge of Islam will be banned in every civilized coutry in the world.......
If they must behave like animals, treat them like animals......​

 

[QC]

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Ya mean like WMD's in Iraq?......

Yes. Exactly. Thanks for helping. That was a 100% rational fear based on the info EVERYONE had. And I hope to God that we take any additional threats as seriously. I suppose you want to wait around until you can count some bodies, and in the meantime control the Earth's weather Hello!!

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Yes. Exactly. Thanks for helping. That was a 100% rational fear based on the info EVERYONE had. And I hope to God that we take any additional threats as seriously. I suppose you want to wait around until you can count some bodies, and in the meantime control the Earth's weather Hello!!

So sorry, no sale!.......

 

[QC]

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I stand by it . . .

 

[Coors]

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That long list of Shiite was spawned by bad itellegence.....
Whether it was 'doctered up' who can tell?.....
Oh, & Iran isn't actively seeking WMD?......
Yet "Duh"bya is willing to sit on his hands & wait this one out......
Why is that?......
Does he need anymore abuse from the socialists (Democrats)?

 

[Plainsman]

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Haut, that would be a pre-emtive strike, and we know that the left won't allow that to happen. We have to have open dialogs until the first nuke is set off, then blame President Bush for doing nothing about it. Same double talk, double standard the left lives on and for.

 

[Coors]

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The people in the failed Jeep attack, according to eye-witnesses, were screaming "Allah, Allah"
Peaceful religion, my ______
Keep defending them, Dems; one day someone you love will be taken out by them.

 

[PW2]

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Do I read this thread right? PW and this cherub dude think the issue is the size and capability of these bombs? So . . . you get really mad when the bombs kill and maim, but not until? Can I conclude that?

If you want to understand fear in a modern context may I suggest Crichton's State of Fear? Just replace Global Warming with any other irrational fear and you'd be good. However, this particular fear is NOT irrational . . . doesn't cherub boy's entire premise rest on the fear being irrational . . .

No, QC.

I'd like everyone in the world to sit around a fake campfire and sing Kumbaya, QC.

Until that happens, let's try to keep some perspective on all this. Those 'terror threats" were hardly much in the way of terror threats. Wait till Musharif gets assassinated in Pakistan, and the terrorists get real nukes, and then we'll have something real to worry about. Unfortunately, we are so tied up in Iraq, we can't do much about it even if we wanted to. Iran as well.

Until that time, I am far more concerned about the potential effects of global warming.

 

[QC]

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Very revealing. A crytstal ball and a theory that we can't do anything about. Thanks for the clarification. Wow.

 

[RubberFrog]

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kaboombaya

 

[POINTER94]

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There is no doubt in my mind that there is not one soldier, not one anaylist, not one satellite, not one spy, not one diplomat working to secure UBL. Seriously, anyone believe that? Just because the MSM doesn't want to cover it doesn't mean it isn't happening. They may be covert. (Somebody call a hearing and send out supeona's)

I find it funny that because a PORTION of our military is in Iraq, we are now completely incapable of doing anything. Can you imagine what the left would do if GW invaded a country simply to hunt down UBL? They would be apaplectic. Foamin at the mouth, Bush lied people died, abuse of power. Absolutely a non-starter.

I had no idea that death by nuke was somehow more dead than by conventional weapons. I guess you can learn something new everyday. I can see the headstone of a dead friend: "KILLED BY TERRORISM, BUT NOT NUCLEAR!" I know I would feel better. How about chemical or biological? Any of those more palletable to the masses?