bought my first boat with 1996 Force 120 and already broke down..... Help please

JordyOutboard

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I checked my compression again and came up with these numbers. Not looking good here...

My battery was rather low. Not sure if that effects things. Also, my engine seemed to turn a lot "better" when one spark plug was removed.

120
90
45
85

Clymer should be here tomorrow and I will take the head off.

Edit: forgive my ignorance but how do you properly check compression? I have been leaving all spark plugs in and just pulling the each one individually when I check. I have been researching older posts and it seems that people take all of their plugs out when checking compression.
 
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UtahBoating

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Remove all plugs and ground the spark plug wires


I checked my compression again and came up with these numbers. Not looking good here...

My battery was rather low. Not sure if that effects things. Also, my engine seemed to turn a lot "better" when one spark plug was removed.

120
90
45
85

Clymer should be here tomorrow and I will take the head off.

Edit: forgive my ignorance but how do you properly check compression? I have been leaving all spark plugs in and just pulling the each one individually when I check. I have been researching older posts and it seems that people take all of their plugs out when checking compression.
 

Frank Acampora

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You can not crank these engines using the ignition key, with ungrounded plugs. To do so invites ignition damage. SO: Remove all four plugs and ground them then crank the engine over. Alternatively, leave the ignition key off and remove all four plugs. Ignition will not fire and will be safe. Then, "jump" start the engine at the solenoid with a remote starter switch or a short length of jumper wire. insert the compression gauge and crank at least four turns or until the gauge stops rising. Do this on all four cylinders with a fully charged battery. Slow cranking will affect readings.

Now, some people insist that the carbs must be fully opened. However, since a 2 cycle engine has ports in the side of the cylinder, the cylinder always goes to atmospheric pressure on each stroke. Thus carb butterfly position does not count. The slight vacuum generated in the crankcase/manifold will not affect compression readings at cranking speed.
 

JordyOutboard

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Thanks for the tips for compression checking guys.

When you say ground the wires, do you mean leave the spark plugs in them and make sure they spark off grounded engine?

Thanks!!

Side Note: Saw some guys in here posting from Pennsylvania! Nice to see local guys on the site!
 

JordyOutboard

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Hey Guys, just an update. I spoke to the previous owner and he said the follow maintenance was performed

Impellar - Replaced 2 years ago

Lower unit oil - Replaced last season

Fuse block and fuses - new as of last season

new plugs and wires - 1 season of use
 

UtahBoating

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Thanks for the tips for compression checking guys.

When you say ground the wires, do you mean leave the spark plugs in them and make sure they spark off grounded engine?

Thanks!!

Side Note: Saw some guys in here posting from Pennsylvania! Nice to see local guys on the site!


The way I ground mine is I took some 12-14 gauge wire and took 3 pieces (1 for each plug wire on my engine) and put alligator clips on the end. I push the clips into the spark plug wire boots to make contact. Then ground the wires to the block. In my case I found the head bolts provided a good ground. Then crank away. When I get home I can get you a pic of the contraption I made for grounding.
 

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Here is how I have grounded my spark plug wires for compression testing. I found the idea somewhere else on this forum and basically just copied it.
 

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Or you can just activate the "Kill switch" and do the compression reading. No sparks will go to the plugs since the kill wires off the CDM is grounded. And yes, this is a very safe step to do.
 

JordyOutboard

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UtahBoating Thanks for the picture. I ended up making something similar. When I did the correct compression test, I got the following.

1st - 130
2nd - 130
3rd - 58
4th - 150

So this means I'm taking off the head when the manual comes in. I may even do it tomorrow based on how easy it looks from previous threads.
 
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JordyOutboard

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Frank Acampora Can I order an impeller from eBay or do you recommend an other source? Should I get a complete kit with gaskets? I am taking the head off today to exam since my manual is here but I figured since the previous owner hasn't replaced the impeller in two years I'll most likely need one.
 
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In my experience, Amazon has been the best place to but the impeller by itself. However, Ebay should be fine as well. As far as the complete kits go, I only replace my gaskets every few years or as needed.
 

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The 1996 uses a mercury designed water pump and impeller so they are widely available. I never searched but I'm sure they sell them here at iboats too. SO: Look it up in various sites and compare cost, shipping, and delivery. Then decide where to order.
 

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Frank Acampora

Thanks guys. I ordered an impeller kit and it should be here within a couple days. Got some marine grease also. According to the videos it shouldn't be a hard job.

I also researched how to test my overheat buzzer/alarm.

I am excited to take the head off an inspect the pistons. I am praying they are ok but im ready to replace if needed.
 

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Here's a quick shot while I'm at my shop. I'm on my phone so no high res right now. Once I get home I'll post pictures of every cylinder
 

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These are in order from Cylinder 1, 2, 3, 4
 

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More pictures of Cylinder #3
 

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So cylinder #3 looks to be the worst. This is also the one cylinder I was unable to get past 60psi of compression. The cylinder walls look scored but when I run my finger on them, they are smooth. Also, when i run my fingernail over the walls they are smooth are well.

The gasket is in bad shape so I am going to put an oder in. What other parts will I need?
 

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Heres the cover and an other of cylinder 3 i believe. Is the head gasket blown?
 

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