Bought my first motor 1954 QD-15!!! Need a little advice to get it running...

mixin

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After my previous thread about what vintage OMC to buy for my first motor, I finally decided on going with the advice of others here and get a 1954 QD-15 I found on CL. It was converted to use a fuel pump and had original paint and decals, although a little rough. The seller had owned it for about 3 years and had it on the water just a few times, aledgedly it ran strong for him. He didn't seem to know alot about it as he had aquired it as a part of a snowmobile trade. It looked solid in the pics and was advertised as running condition for $200. He seemed to be honestly unknowledgeble, but I appreciated that he wasn't trying to "sell" me the motor.

The Bad: The bottom tip of the skeg is broken off. Carb was weeping a little gas from the glass bowl. But the main problem was that it did not run when the seller tried to demo it in a bucket. He didn't seem to really know how to properly start it (trying many different settings of throttle and choke) and definately flooded it, and it was cold out to boot- 31F. He also said that he had no idea how to set the mixture knobs which were in any random position at this point. We pulled the plugs and they were wet along with the tops of the pistons which did look somewhat clean with my Mag-light. When it did finally fire, all it did was one "brrRAAAAPPP!!!" and that was it. Although it didn't run for more than a second, I could tell that both cylinders definately fired, which was good. We tried some ether and got the same result, one "brrRAAAAPPP!!!" and that was it. The last time we had it in gear and the prop blew the water out of the bucket. At this point I was on the fence about the deal and he offered to go $150 - About this time, I felt the little green QD-15 looking up at me with puppy dog eyes. Against my better judgement I loaded it up with the wal-mart plastic tank and homemade stand.

The Good: Original patina and decals- although a little rough around the edges. No water in the lower unit oil. Spark on both cylinders. Seller reported that the impeller, plugs, wires, condenser, points and coils had been replaced last year and the carb had been rebuilt 3 years ago (although no receipts for parts). Compression is very strong - when the seller tried to start it over and over (once with the plug wires reversed) the motor ripped the pull cord out of his hand and almost yanked him over with it! "It's got compression!" I said as we chuckled. The prop shaft is straight and the gear shifter seems to operate smoothly.

For the first couple hours after buying it I was overwhelmed with the "what did I just do" feeling, but I figured, worst case I can flip it on eBay and probably not get hurt too bad on the $$$. Hopefully, with the help of this wonderful community, I'll be able to get it running and have it in MY family for the next 55 years of its life!

What do you think should be my first step to getting this thing in running order the right way? Thanks for your replies!

Mike
Grand Rapids, MI

Sorry for the long read- I'm just geeked about my first motor! Here's some gory pics from the seller. I'll try to get some better ones up soon!
 

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Re: Bought my first motor 1954 QD-15!!! Need a little advice to get it running...

mixin: Congratulations on your new motor. I'm afraid I know nothing about that vintage of motor. I too am a 55 year old from 1954. I can assure you this "brrRAAAAPPP!!!" thing seams common to the year. Enjoy, Rick.

P.S. Check out the Top Secret Stuff at the top of this forum for a check list of things you need to be doing to it.
 

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There are two mixture knobs on the carb. The top one is the low speed knob. Turn it in until it gently seats then out about 1.5 turns. The lower is the high speed knob. Turn it in until it gently seats then out about 5/8. That should be close enough to get it to run. Set the throttle to just beyond start choke it and pull. Once it fires push the choke in. If it stays running you can make the final adjustments then. He said the coils have been replaced, but if they have not then they will need to be. I would take a close look at them. Any cracks replace them. A cracked coil can fire, but it won't for long. If it has been sitting a cleaning of the points is usually in order.
 

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Re: Bought my first motor 1954 QD-15!!! Need a little advice to get it running...

There are two mixture knobs on the carb. The top one is the low speed knob. Turn it in until it gently seats then out about 1.5 turns. The lower is the high speed knob. Turn it in until it gently seats then out about 5/8.

My motor must be a little different. The top is the low speed, but the big round knob will only turn about 270 degrees from lock to lock. The bottom high speed is more of a lever shape and it only can be adjusted on a sweep of about 70 degrees from lock to lock. These knobs definately aren't made to go any further than that.

Any other help on setting these mixture screws would be much appreciated!

I plan on trying to get it to fire up Saturday! I got 6 gallons of 24:1 synthetic blend TCW-3 mixed up with stabil and a trash can ready to put water in. FIRE IN THE HOLE!!!!

Mike
 

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take the knobs off. The knob has a tab that corresponds with the face plate to create that lock. taking the knobs off will let you adjust them in all the way.
 

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you can also push the face plate in. It has springs behind it. Hold it in and adjust the knobs. Probably needs a carb overhaul anyway.
 

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Re: Bought my first motor 1954 QD-15!!! Need a little advice to get it running...

He said the coils have been replaced, but if they have not then they will need to be. I would take a close look at them. Any cracks replace them. A cracked coil can fire, but it won't for long. If it has been sitting a cleaning of the points is usually in order.

^^^ I resest the high and low speed screws just like you said. The low speed was way off. I only had to turn it <1/4 turn to fully seat it. The high speed was about right. After I had them set where you said to start, I took the knobs off and reset them straight up. You were right about the carb rebuild, I think the weeping gas is coming from where the high speed mixture screw exits the carb body - maybe needs new packing. But the main carb body gasket looks aftermarket (newer).

The GOOD news is that I think I have newer coils! I removed the recoil and the circular inspection plate and saw that the coils were brown in color with a thick plastic/rubber jacketing that looked like new ones I have seen online. The paint was flaking off the mounting brackets a little - but they still looked newer. The points and condensers also looked clean if not a little shiny!

The jury is still out on if the carb was put back together right and if the fuel pump conversion was done correctly. I guess we'll find out right?

Question - Can I clean and set the point gaps through the inspection hole with the flywheel on or do I have to remove it? Also, I want to look for the impeller to be working correctly right away in the case that it starts - Does the water come out from the three holes on the middle, back of the leg? Wish me luck tomorrow - I'll let you know what happens... Thanks for all your help!!!

Mike
 

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That motor needs 16:1 gas/oil mix. I believe it has a split shift rod with a coupler under a cover in the exhaust housing. Have you checked compression? That's the first thing I would check. Points can be set thru the inspection window on the flywheel. If you need some help with the motor, send me a PM - I am in Newaygo.
 

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I believe that motor is 24:1 fuel/oil ratio. Can't say for sure since I've never owned a '54, but I'm almost positive my '53 QD-14 calls for 24:1.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. I know that my '55 7.5 evinrude uses 16:1, but didn't think my QD-14 did.
Curious,
JBJ
 

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budddy putting the spark wires on the wrong order is bad. make sure u corect that surely before u forgot =D now when u say it has compression thats more like have the motor go backwards on u so pull u in lol:D

u might wanna recheckeverything

get compression first for us the right way ;)
 

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I believe that motor is 24:1 fuel/oil ratio. Can't say for sure since I've never owned a '54, but I'm almost positive my '53 QD-14 calls for 24:1.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. I know that my '55 7.5 evinrude uses 16:1, but didn't think my QD-14 did.
Curious,
JBJ

See attached decal from a 1954 10hp. It says to mix 1 quart of oil per tank of gas or 1/2 pint per gallon of gas. I believe the standard tank size in 1954 was 4 gallons, which would calculate to a 16:1 mix. The 1953 decal has the same oil ratio listed.
 

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Lindy,
This is the 2nd time it's been brought to my attn. that one of my motors needs 16:1 when I was thinking 24:1. Oddly enough, the sticker on my QD-14 says a 1/2 pint to a gallon, or 1 quart to 5 gallons of gas. I guess 20:1 is o.k. according to the factory, I believe I will increase my oil to that ratio or thereabouts. I bought one ebay motor that had the piston pin bushing totally gone on one cylinder---maybe due to someone running gas with too little oil.
thanks--always eager to learn,
JBJennings
 

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....and to confuse things more, this is from the evinrude.com site:

Q- What is the fuel/oil mix for my motor?
A - The following is generally true: 1958 and prior used 20:1, 1959 thru 1963 used 24:1, 1964 and newer use 50:1. High performance usage (racing) requires a ratio of 25:1. New engine break-in (not DI) requires 25:1.


and from Chinewalker's thread in the FAQ:
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=158072

POST-1964 JOHNSON/EVINRUDE/GALE - The official stance on 1964 and newer OMC engines is to run them 50:1 and it's a good rule of thumb to follow on the bigger motors. OMC also renegged on the late 1980s 100:1 recommendation on the smaller (4-35hp) motors, bumping them back to 50:1. I've found that the smaller (3, 4, 5, 6hp) motors from post 1964 up into the mid-1970s may appreciate a bit of extra oil as they still have some bronze sleeve bearings. I run 40:1 in my '72 4hp, as I have a pile of holed blocks, burned cranks and twisted rods that were run at 50:1.

1960-1964 JOHNSON/EVINRUDE/GALE - 18hp and up can run at 40:1, as they are mostly jeweled motors at this point. Anything smaller run it at 24:1.

Pre 1960 - any size, run it 24:1. If it's used for racing or high performance, double up the oil...
 

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Re: Bought my first motor 1954 QD-15!!! Need a little advice to get it running...

Not to stop this wonderful oil ratio sidebar to my thread but I just wanted to say,



























































FIRE IN THE HOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a runner!!!!!!!!!!!!

The problem was the cheap-arse primer ball (attwood) wouldn't prime well. I took the fuel hose off the fuel pump (remember this motor has been converted) and put it over the tank fill. I had to pump the ball like 15 times to get fuel to squirt out of the hose and back into the tank. I then hooked it back up to the fuel pump and pumped the ball several times until nice blue gas began to replace the old brown/yellow crap that was in the glass bowl of the carb. Full choke, throttle just past start, and on the second pull...VVRRRROOOOOOOMMMM!!!!

I was over the moon! It ran pretty rough until she warmed up and then smoothed out real nice with tons of warm water coming out of the leg. She also shifted effortlessly into forward and reverse. For some reason she will spit and sputter from every once and awhile (pumping the ball seems to smooth it out)- so still some bugs, but for $150 I'm happy as H-E, double hockey sticks!!!

I can't wait to learn more about this motor as I get her running well the right way using this site!

Thanks all--You'll be seeing me around!

Mike
 

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Re: Bought my first motor 1954 QD-15!!! Need a little advice to get it running...

Lindy,
This is the 2nd time it's been brought to my attn. that one of my motors needs 16:1 when I was thinking 24:1. Oddly enough, the sticker on my QD-14 says a 1/2 pint to a gallon, or 1 quart to 5 gallons of gas. I guess 20:1 is o.k. according to the factory, I believe I will increase my oil to that ratio or thereabouts. I bought one ebay motor that had the piston pin bushing totally gone on one cylinder---maybe due to someone running gas with too little oil.
thanks--always eager to learn,
JBJennings
I think you will find that 1/2 pint per gallon works out to a quart to 4 gallons (not 5). That would be 16:1. Many feel that the TCW3 oil can be used with thinner ratios to hold down smoking. I would stick with the original ratio. There was no TCW in 1954. The original spec called for a quart of automotive non-detergent 30 weight oil to four gallons of marine white gas (unleaded). Ahh- those were the good old days!
 

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Congrats! Personally I would use 24:1 tcw-3, and I use full synthetic.

I also just picked up a '54 10hp 2 weeks ago. To go with my '54 25hp and my '54 5.5hp. Have not had a chance to work on it yet so I hope she fires up also :)

Keep your questions coming... All the answers are here via someone :)
 

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Asdaf,
The sticker on the front of the motor says 1/2 pint to one gallon OR 1 quart to 5 gallons. That's where I came up with the 20:1 being o.k. I didn't quite understand the difference in ratio, either! :) Kind of goofy but it says 1qt. to 5 gal. just the same. Actually, I just looked at Peter McDowell's decals and his doesn't have the 1qt. per 5 gallons thing. I got these particular decals from americanoutboards. Maybe that's why---they made the artwork for that decal themselves. I don't know. I was thinking the same thing you were---that those two statements didn't agree in ratio!
I guess one can just dump whatever in and hope for the best....:D
JBJ
 

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Re: Bought my first motor 1954 QD-15!!! Need a little advice to get it running...

congats on your virgin motor experience... I'm just gettin ready to go through the same thing with the same motor... hope the out come is just as sunny! Thanks in hind sight to all those who replied to these questions as I had many of the same questions and now have the answers!!
Thanks again
 

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Re: Bought my first motor 1954 QD-15!!! Need a little advice to get it running...

i also have a qd-15 and i payed a 100 buck for it and it runs but some shift problems i would like to say thanks for all the in fellows
 
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