Bought & used one day.. motor blown..

[cwforcelemon]

Just recently bought an 85 Bayliner with a 125 hp Force.

Did not have a lot of power first time out..

Changed out ignition (because it fill apart) then the primer bulb.

I put new plugs in and it was spewing gas out of the carbs..

I took it to a guy whos been wrenching over 30 years..

Tells me can be fixed.. cracked pistion along with severe damge to the block...

I will be paying a visit to the guy who sold it to me and said that it runs great and has a strong engine.

Any remedies besides a complete replacement..

Thanks for any input ..

Fyi.. lesson learn dont buy without a good mechanic checking out first...arrggggh!

 

[Unbalanced]

Re: Bought & used one day.. motor blown..

Gas spewing from the carbs is an indication that the float needles are stuck or worn. - Not a crack in a piston and damaged block. Any reputable mechanic would gladly go over his diagnostics and show you the damage to the piston/block and explain the tests he performed to come to that conclustion and itemize the repair. Sadly, most mechanics rely on the naiveness of the general boating public, usually being somewhat affluent.

I would bet that your motor does not have a cracked piston, but rather is suffering from preventative maintanence neglect. Less than $100 in parts, a good manual and a weekend of labor will most likely have you a) proud of yourself that you now understand and can maintain your motor, and b) want to envoke serious bodily injury to the person that quoted you a full rebuild.

 

[cwforcelemon]

Re: Bought & used one day.. motor blown..

Piston is completley cracked and block is worn and severally scarred...

Not sure what to do now ..

 

[bustermin]

Re: Bought & used one day.. motor blown..

you indicated that you used the boat for one day, is that one full day or 5 mins.? the fact that it was running poorly should have told you something, did you keep running it even though it was running bad? did the motor blow because of you not doing something correctly (i.e. putting oil in gas/checking engine oil, over reving the engine, over heating). also how much did you pay for the vessel, you cant expect a new boat for the price of a broken one. what exactly did the seller tell you about the motor, and while you may not have had the boat looked at by a mechanic why didnt you run it prior to buying it?

 

[Unbalanced]

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Lemon,
I'm a little confused. From your first post, you said it ran great the first time out. Then you had an issue with gas leaking from the carbs.
So help me understand why in this thread you state it didn't have a lot of power the first time out...
Did you see the cylinder and piston? Did the mechanic to a compression check first?
I'm having trouble understanding the logic of a mechanic who would pull the head off a motor when the customer brings it in with leaking carbs.
Is this the same guy who said you needed a new stator, coil or reeds?

Just bought me a nice lemon trying for some ade...

Ran great first time out..

2nd time out ignition switch fell apart and the primer bulb had a hole in it...

Replaced primer bulb, ingnition switch and put new plugs in..

Ran strong first 5 minutes..

Now want start.. gas streams out of carbs..

Any ideas ..

New wiring ? Wrong Plugs...

Float stuck

Thanks for any feed back

cw

Recently bought a 87 bayliner with 125 hp force engine..

With more than 3 people in the boat .. could not pull or plane

Ignition switch went out, along with primer .. was stranded on the lake a few

Put New switch .. works fine

New Primer bulb along with spark plugs.

Started intially and ran strong.

Now wont start.. gas runs out of both carbs.

I have been told that I need a new stater, coils or new reeds.. I have also been told to rebuild the carbs...

I also installed an inline fuel filter.. not sure if that would cause any problem..

Any suggestions out there to fix.. thanks cw

 

[skargo]

Re: Bought & used one day.. motor blown..

So you are going to blame the guy who sold it to you for your lack of inspection?

Unbelievable.

 

[cwforcelemon]

Re: Bought & used one day.. motor blown..

Recap

Inspected boat..

Started and hooked up with water and ran. well

Fuel up and put the proper ratio of oil and gas in ..


Previous owner told me the motor ran strong and had no issues with it.


I took the boat out for most of the day and noticed that it did not seem to have not as much power as it should.. it ran fine.

Took out a 2nd time and the primer bulb had a hole in it along with the ignition switch fell apart.

Had to be towed in.

Replaced ignition, and primer bulb and plugs.

Would not start there after and would spew gas from the carbs (turns out to be water and gas from a now blown head gasket and broken piston)

Took to a mechanic who has informed me of the damaged piston and block...

So yea... I am blaming the previous owner...or maybe the mechanic caused more damage trouble shooting.. dont know..

 

[cwforcelemon]

Re: Bought & used one day.. motor blown..

Paid $2300 for boat...1985 bayliner.. worn seats, bad trailer and a blown motor...nice...

 

[jakebrake]

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lem,

did the mechanic show you the damage? if not, did the engine attempt to start? gas leaking out of a carb,( unless it filled the crankcase, diluting the oil to being garbage, or was mixed waaaaay too lean) and a blown piston isn't jiving.

as far as the seller, i'd bet my bottom dollar that the reciept says "as is, no warranty"

new coil versus new reeds? say what? as in fuel versus electric?
depending on what you paid for the boat, you may be better off getting new power for it.

otherwise, well, you may be better off scrapping it. or getting a second opinion.

 

[cwforcelemon]

Re: Bought & used one day.. motor blown..

no receipt, and I have seen the damage.

May have to scrap but will approach previous seller today or tommorrow...

 

[south texas]

Re: Bought & used one day.. motor blown..

It's a 24 year old boat, you should just cut your losses. It's no different than a used car; it could last 30 minutes or 2 years, you never know. When I buy an old boat (or car), I will only spend as much on it as I would be able to sell it for as scrap. You also need to keep in mind that boating is an expensive hobby. To keep you ride reliable, it requires tons of PM and $$$.. UNless you buy a rowboat!

Put it on Craigslist and buy something else. Lesson learned.

 

[skargo]

Re: Bought & used one day.. motor blown..

Recap

Inspected boat..

Started and hooked up with water and ran. well

Fuel up and put the proper ratio of oil and gas in ..


Previous owner told me the motor ran strong and had no issues with it.


I took the boat out for most of the day and noticed that it did not seem to have not as much power as it should.. it ran fine.

Took out a 2nd time and the primer bulb had a hole in it along with the ignition switch fell apart.

Had to be towed in.

Replaced ignition, and primer bulb and plugs.

Would not start there after and would spew gas from the carbs (turns out to be water and gas from a now blown head gasket and broken piston)

Took to a mechanic who has informed me of the damaged piston and block...

So yea... I am blaming the previous owner...or maybe the mechanic caused more damage trouble shooting.. dont know..

See, he TOLD you it ran good and YOU took it for gospel??? Maybe take responsibility for the fact that YOU didn't do quite enough to make sure it was what he said it was.

Used vehicles are as is, if I was the seller and you came back to me on this, I'd tell you to pound sand long and deep.

Personal responsibility is dead in this country.

 

[cwforcelemon]

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Very true and thanks for the input..

Craigslist soon...

 

[bustermin]

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you say "I took the boat out for most of the day and noticed that it did not seem to have not as much power as it should.. it ran fine." the fact that it did not have "as much power as it should" should have told you something was wrong and that is when you should have taken it to a mechanic rather than keep running it. i dont see how you can blame the seller for your bad decisions. after all, you did say "Started and hooked up with water and ran. well" and just out of curiosity what ratio did you mix the fuel?

 

[cwforcelemon]

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Skargo..

Thanks for the kind words..

Pounding Sand..

Live and learn ...

 

[bustermin]

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just wondering, where do you live. i might be interested in buying it.

 

[south texas]

Re: Bought & used one day.. motor blown..

See, he TOLD you it ran good and YOU took it for gospel??? Maybe take responsibility for the fact that YOU didn't do quite enough to make sure it was what he said it was.

Used vehicles are as is, if I was the seller and you came back to me on this, I'd tell you to pound sand long and deep.

Personal responsibility is dead in this country.

AMEN! I'm laughing my a@$ off from your reply!! You're right on the money... Thanks for the good laugh, makes the work day even better!

 

[Charger 85]

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I am new to boating and I am thinking I bought a boat that I saw run in tub of water, The man I am buying it from the whole time telling me he works at one of the local restaurants and I am thinking I wont ever eat there again after seeing him or his yard, The boat looks solid enough just needs some new carpet seats have all been reupholstered not bad looking, So I put some money down and go for it.
I pick it up take it home, a buddy of mine comes to see it after a few days and by this time it warm and we notice it smells like the former owner must not have used the facilities on shore Or the neighborhood cats have had free reign for quite a while. Long story shortened up I replace the floor learned a good deal of how to fiberglass marine plywood new carpet new seats old ones were reupholstered over the rotting seat frames and boards tore all the vinyl parts off due to smell replaced with new oak boards, Aaaand now working my way through some minor engine problems after a year of messing I think it will make a good boat and will last for a long time now.
I made my mistake, I will keep working on it until it comes to time for me.
But I cant blame the salad cook for me buying it. That was my blame If had followed my gut and nose instead of my Walter Mitty thoughts of just heading off into water. It has been a learning experience.

 

[jakebrake]

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charger,
i've learned that same lesson. boating on the cheap, is just that. the cheap. not the today, not the easy, the cheap. you buy what you can afford.
trust me, mine isn't the greatest, but it is the cheap. and almost done (I hope and pray to any god that will listen).When she's done, she'll be the sweetest ride on the water...just ask you! or me...we're all the same.
'course, skargo is right personal responsibility is dead...survived by it's cousin litigation who ask, that in lieu of flowers, you send broken glass to everyone around you.
lemon learned a lesson. re-powering may still be a better way to go, but lemon, check that motor out, or buy a new. look before you leap. we can talk you through this...trust me i got screwed far far worse than you did.

 

[keepNitreel]

Re: Bought & used one day.. motor blown..

Paid $2300 for boat...1985 bayliner.. worn seats, bad trailer and a blown motor...nice...

Very true and thanks for the input..

Craigslist soon...

You may get $300 for it, without a working motor I can't see anyone paying more, unless they already have a motor for it. Don't forget to use the famous motor selling lines, "it ran good the last time it was cranked" Or "just needs new starter".

Make sure your honest about what your selling. Con the wrong person and ya might be pushing daisies.