Bow Eye Crack Repair?

skipdave

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I was loading my boat (a 1984 Century Mustang 195) onto the trailer today and cranked the winch strap about 2 clicks tighter than I needed to because I suddenly heard a loud pop. I thought the strap itself had maybe torn, but it looked fine. Then I checked the bow eye and noticed that on one side of the metal plate it looked like the gel coat had cracked. I inspected just about every square inch of the hull before I bought this boat (less than a week ago) and I am almost positive that I would have noticed this if it had been there before. What I couldn't figure out was why it looked like a section had cracked and then sunken into the boat rather than been pulled out. When I got home I looked at it more closely and it looks like a layer of gel coat (or maybe paint?) cracked off? which is why it was not flush with the rest of the hull, but "sunken into" the hull. I have a couple small chips in the gel coat on the ledge where you board and you can see the fiberglass underneath. But this looks like a layer is missing and what's beneath is a chalky white surface. It also looks like this crack or chip extends under the metal plate of the bow eye and the back of the metal plate is now not in direct contact with the hull. If I stand to the side I can see a small space between the back of the metal plate and the boat. There was a tiny water pocket collected in there too. I am also not positive if it was like this before or if it happened today. My question is how big of a deal is this? Is it something I need to get repaired? Or should I just leave it alone and it will be fine? I will try to post some close-up photos tomorrow when it is light out if that will help.
 

skipdave

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Re: Bow Eye Crack Repair?

Here are the photos:

Photo 1 (boweye1.jpg) shows the view from the starboard side of the boat with the missing layer of gelcoat? closer the the bottom bolt of the bow eye and extending upward and in under the plate.

Photo 2 (boweye2.jpg) is the same shot but with the camera flash.

Photo 3 (boweye3.jpg) is from the port side and I added a red line outling the missing layer.

Photo 4 (boweye4.jpg) is a shot from head on with the "crack" outlined in red. This shows how it apparently extends under the bow eye plate and out on both sides.

How bad is this and what should I do? Thanks
 

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jigngrub

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Re: Bow Eye Crack Repair?

Check with the fiberglass gurus in the restoration forum for the proper repair procedures.

I'm thinking that happened because you need a bigger backing plate on that eye.
 

Bondo

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Re: Bow Eye Crack Repair?

Ayuh,... Can ya get to the Inside,..??

I'd pull the eye, repair the whole area, 'n reinstall the eye...

It might be an old injury, that was repaired before, 'n is now failing,...
Hard to say/ see...
 

Cap’n Ray

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Re: Bow Eye Crack Repair?

Had a similar issue on the old Bayliner (27' cabin cruiser)- the bow eye base was actually 1/4" or so awayfrom the bow. I went to the inside is the boat, removed the bolts and chincy little backing plate, made the largest backing plate I could fit from 1/4" aluminum and loosely assembled the hook, then from the outside I coated the threads and base with marine sealant then returned inside and tightened it down. I also added a second nut on each 'leg' to help lock it in, then cleaned up the oozing sealant outside. FG and gel coat were ok so I didn't have any repairs. Pretty stout area of the boat usually.... Shouldnt break or pull out if it's got good backing. Best of luck to ya!
 

skipdave

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Re: Bow Eye Crack Repair?

I'm not even sure how to get to the area behind the bow eye on the inside of the boat. I took some photos of the bow from the inside- any ideas? I can fit my fingers up under the piece of wood in the center (between the two seats) and feel particles of wood and also it feels like someone has sprayed foam insulation up inside there. You can see some of this that came out in the photos. The fiberglass? where the carpet is pulled back also looks discolored and slightly warped in some spots. I'm starting to fear that there might be more damage/repair needed than I was thinking. I guess the first step is to get to the back side of the bow eye- so how should I do that? I don't see/feel any screws to remove that piece of wood in between the bow seats at the center of the bow.
 

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Woodonglass

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Re: Bow Eye Crack Repair?

Your Bow Eye is prolly located behind this...
You may even need to cut into the deck and create a small hole to get to it. You can patch this up with Poly Resin and Glass later.

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You will prolly need to remove this to get to it. You will then need to reinforce the area with an aluminum plate and some 1708 Fiberglass cloth. (3 layers recommended) before reinstalling the eye.

It is a Forum recommendation that you NOT start other threads concerning the SAME topic. You should just keep posting to the same thread requesting help. It takes a few hours sometimes for some of us to find you and respond be we WILL get to you.;)
 

skipdave

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Re: Bow Eye Crack Repair?

Your Bow Eye is prolly located behind this...
You may even need to cut into the deck and create a small hole to get to it. You can patch this up with Poly Resin and Glass later.

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You will prolly need to remove this to get to it. You will then need to reinforce the area with an aluminum plate and some 1708 Fiberglass cloth. (3 layers recommended) before reinstalling the eye.

It is a Forum recommendation that you NOT start other threads concerning the SAME topic. You should just keep posting to the same thread requesting help. It takes a few hours sometimes for some of us to find you and respond be we WILL get to you.;)

I think you're right that a cut will have to be made to access it. I'm wondering if this is the type of repair I should leave to a professional since this is my first boat and I don't really know what I am doing. I guess if I had a detailed set of step-by-step instructions I would feel more confident. That is actually why I cross-posted (sorry) to the hull repair section, b/c another poster suggested I post there for help with how to properly carry out this repair.

Would it be a bad idea to keep trailering/using the boat until the end of the season and then either have this repaired or try to repair it myself? The bow eye feels very secure and as I mentioned before there is a possibility that it was already like this when I bought it and I just didn't notice it until yesterday.
 

americaneagler77

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Re: Bow Eye Crack Repair?

ill get scalded for this but id run it. be careful. keep an eye on it.
 

gozierdt

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Re: Bow Eye Crack Repair?

I'm on the other side of the fence. I WOULDN'T run it ( sorry Americaneagler77). If that eye fails while you have the boat backing down a steep ramp, your boat & outdrive are going to take a big hit. The gel coat is cracking because the fiberglass that is the main structural element in the hull is flexing when you put strain on the strap. It might last a while, but nobody can tell when it will let go catastrophically. The earlier you fix it the easier it will be to fix. The inside of the hull will need a couple of layers of glass, then find a big backing plate like mariner 77 said. At this point this is not a difficult repair, I think I could do it in 3-4 hours max, so if you're not comfortable doing it yourself, you won't be looking at a big bill.
 

BonairII

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Re: Bow Eye Crack Repair?

If you have the money to throw at the problem...go for it. If not, just try to fix it yourself. Doesn't look too complicated...just scary cutting into your new toy.
At least cut into it, so u can takes pics of the eye from inside the boat...so we can survey the damage and give you more detailed advice.
 

jeeperman

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Re: Bow Eye Crack Repair?

Those carpeted panels were installed somehow, you just have to figure out the puzzle to reverse the install.
If there are no screws buried in the carpet, they are likely stapled in place with an air stapler at the factory.
Grab ahold of an edge and start tugging. If you do not hear any wood cracking, keep going as it is stapled.

That bow eye damage looks like impact damage from running into the bow roller/winch stand too hot, etc.
Versus from being pulled out.
The pop may have only been the hook going to where it wanted to go on the bow eye.
 
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