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Conscientious Objector or Coward. There is no difference. You just can't change your mind after yu make a commitment.

U.S. Army medic who refused to return to Iraq found guilty of desertion
By GEORGE FREY (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
March 06, 2007 1:05 PM EST

WUERZBURG, Germany - A U.S. Army medic who refused to return to Iraq because he believes war is immoral was sentenced to eight months in prison after being convicted of desertion at a court martial Tuesday - far short of the maximum seven-year sentence.

Specialist Agustin Aguayo and his attorneys turned to each other and smiled as the judge, Col. R. Peter Masterton, read out the sentence.

Since Aguayo has been jailed for 161 days awaiting trial, he could be free soon. His attorney, David Court, said he did not expect him to serve more than about six more weeks.

"We're grateful that the military judge gave a light sentence," Court said, adding he believed Aguayo convinced the judge he was sincere and that "the judge is concerned with justice."

The judge also ordered that Aguayo be reduced in rank to private, forfeit his pay, and receive a bad conduct discharge.

Aguayo earlier admitted the lesser charges of being absent without leave and missing a troop movement, but was unsuccessful in contesting the more serious desertion charge.

In a shaky voice, Aguayo told the court during the trial at the Army's Leighton Barracks near Wuerzburg how his convictions led him to flee rather than go back with his unit.

"I respect everyone's views and your decision, I understand that people don't understand me," he testified before the judge Masterton. "I tried my best, but I couldn't bear weapons and I could never point weapons at someone."

Aguayo then quoted the 16th-Century German religious reformer Martin Luther: "Here I stand, I can do no more."

The judge found him guilty of desertion after Capt. Derrick Grace, the lead prosecutor, told the court being absent without leave was by itself grounds for a desertion conviction.

"The accused was supposed to deploy with his unit to Iraq and that was important to do," he said. "Instead of deploying with his unit, the accused decided to jump out a window and run away."

The one-day trial was observed by representatives of Amnesty International and American Voices Abroad, an anti-war group that has assisted Aguayo.

Aguayo, a 35-year-old with the 1st Infantry Division's 2nd Brigade Combat Team, served a year as a combat medic in Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit in 2004 after the military turned down his request to be considered a conscientious objector.

He then jumped out of a window of his base housing in Germany on Sept. 2 rather than be forced to ship out for a second tour and fled home to California. He turned himself in to the military at California's Fort Irwin about three weeks later.

As his court martial opened, Aguayo admitted he deliberately avoided going to Iraq.

"I understand that the formation was to move ... to Iraq, your honor," he told the judge in a quiet, wavering voice. "Yes, I deliberately stayed away from the movement. I knew that I wouldn't be making this movement."

He challenged the Army's decision in U.S. federal courts but lost.

Aguayo said he enlisted in 2002 to earn money for his education. Though military operations in Afghanistan were under way and discussions about Iraq were ongoing, he said he never considered that he would have to fight.

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Bondo

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Aguayo said he enlisted in 2002 to earn money for his education. Though military operations in Afghanistan were under way and discussions about Iraq were ongoing, he said he never considered that he would have to fight.

There's been a Few of Them up here at Fort Drum.....

Unfortunately,......
They were Discharged,........... Instead of Charged...........

It makes me Sick,..........
Join the Army for the Free Bennies,+ Start Crying like a Baby as soon as it's time to Pay Up.................
 

oddjob

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Quote:
Conscientious Objector or Coward. There is no difference. You just can't change your mind after yu make a commitment.

Wanna bet? try any lib....start with Hillary.8)
 

Laddies

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He wanted something for nothing and couldn't live up to his commitment. He should have to make up any bad time and serve the remained of his enlistment, plus pay the cost of his trail and transportation, before release from the stockade
 

Haut Medoc

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Hell, why not just go medieval on him......:devil:
 

JB

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"I tried my best, but I couldn't bear weapons and I could never point weapons at someone."

Do Medics fight now? Not in my day, but this is a different war than we have fought since the late 19th century (vs. Native American Nations).

One of my Sons In Law was a Navy Medic in Nam (read USMC). I don't think he was expected to fight except in self defense. He got a Purple Heart and won a Commendation, but I don't think he ever killed anyone or participated in a firefight as a combatant.

I think situations demanding devotion to duty "above and beyond" confront Medics more than any other specialty, and that Medics are valued by their team above all others. Bob is certainly highly valued by our clan.

I have never been in organized combat, so I don't know. Any combat personnel out there who can comment on this?
 

tommays

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We Know a young medic very well who has done his year in Iraq

He dreds the thought of going back but would ,i really dought anybody goes through more combat hell than they do

Tommays
 

Plainsman

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No matter your MOS (job) in the Army, whether a cook, clerk or medic, you are a soldier first. Everyone goes through basic training, then to AIT (MOS training).
Like Laddies said, he saw the benefits as free money, but when it came time to earn it, he ran like the chikenship he is. I have a seething disdain for the likes of him.:devil::devil::devil:
 

JasonJ

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"Aguayo said he enlisted in 2002 to earn money for his education. Though military operations in Afghanistan were under way and discussions about Iraq were ongoing, he said he never considered that he would have to fight."

So just what did he think could happen? Did he sleep through 13 weeks of Basic? I guess I am confused. When I was in, I assumed that at some point I just might have to point that black plastic and aluminum thing at someone else and end them....
 

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Sorry, but IMO, when you sign that dotted line to join, you are telling them that you are ready to go.
Sorry, just how I feel.
 

rolmops

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I would not like to be in a unit where the guy I depend on to keep me alive when I am down does not have the bolls to keep his promises.
 

Coors

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This is a different war. The muslims don't care if a red cross is on your helmet, or on the truck; they mean to kill us all.

Edit: We don't use those terms or insult points of view here anymore. JB
 

Coors

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Schumer , fienstein and company are sponsoring bills to start dis-arming us again. Fear the government that fears it's own citizens having the constitutional right to have guns.
 

rolmops

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JB said:
"I tried my best, but I couldn't bear weapons and I could never point weapons at someone."

Do Medics fight now? Not in my day, but this is a different war than we have fought since the late 19th century (vs. Native American Nations).

One of my Sons In Law was a Navy Medic in Nam (read USMC). I don't think he was expected to fight except in self defense. He got a Purple Heart and won a Commendation, but I don't think he ever killed anyone or participated in a firefight as a combatant.

I think situations demanding devotion to duty "above and beyond" confront Medics more than any other specialty, and that Medics are valued by their team above all others. Bob is certainly highly valued by our clan.

I have never been in organized combat, so I don't know. Any combat personnel out there who can comment on this?

In my unit the medic was trained and expected to be active in combat as a fighter and he would only turn into a medic if the need was there.Until then he was a soldier like all the others.Don't forget that keeping me alive may mean having to shoot the guy who wants to kill us.
 
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