Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

Why is it so easy to believe there is a vast conspiracy by the MSM, the teachers unions, & Libs in general.......
But not any conspiracy or collusion with regard to BIG OIL.....​

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

Just FYI, for anybody thinking we should wait to drill in ANWR until it is needed....it is estimated that it will take 10-15 years from the day we decide to drill there to the day we suck the first barrel out oil out of the ground and process it into the first gallon of usable petroleum product.

My advice, you better start punching the hole now. We can always just put a christmas tree on top and wait until it is needed, but I advise we drill now rather than wait until it's needed then get the oil 10 years later.

Just thought I'd fill in my boating bretheren on the fact of oil drilling.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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By who's estimate?....
BIG OIL will be fallin' all over themselves tryin' to get at the BIG PROFIT........​

 

[OldMercsRule]

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OMR can you keep politic's out of the discussion, for the luv of money do you not know that big money has no party........it own's them both.

Hey TG, Politics is why I started this thread in the first place. Many people do not get the BIG PICTURE HERE about the worlds oil markets. I actually am not joking about many aspects of this oil price matter, regardless of my attempts at humor.

#1 The market is huge and we (the USA) are the largest single cornsumers.

#2 Our own oil industry is relatively small in comparison to the truly big players on the worlds' markets and many of the biggest players are States that really are not very friendly to us.

#3 This is an ideal "let's do something about it" issue for Liberals who are always lookin' for ways to corntrol all of us and grow our government into a bigger and more powerfull entity then the Founders of our Country ever anticipated. Bro Hauts' initial attemps at "populism" with this issue seemed to me to get some support, (as judged by views n' posts) and he may know what he is doing but some here do not. That is the one common thread about most Liberal elites here in America: TG, CORNTROL. MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT. They push VICTIMHOOD as the reason to cede our corntrol over our own lives to them by giving them more taxes that we are forced to pay or silly overregulation to cure problems, (like the current price of oil), that is best left to the markets themselves to cure, and government cures ALWAY MAKE THESE TYPE OF MATTERS WORSE. Just look at the alcohol from corn fiasco. It happens all the time.

#4 Is Liberalism actually a mental disorder? Not at all for the elites TG. They clearly want CORNTROL, and their adgenda is easy to see if ya think a bit. Do Liberal voters and financial supporters have a mental disorder? I really don't know. Thay may be soooo uninformed, or they may lack any ability to think critically and cornsider past government attempts to interfere in free, (or not so free but foreign dominated) vital markets to all of us.

We are living in strange times: TG. In order to win elections in 2004 we were all told by Democrats that then current economy was worse then the Great Depression and the MSM repeated this factoid over and over. A balenced media would help, but we do not have balence at this time. We were also told that GWB's tax decreases would bankrupt us and only go to mean rich mostly white people who were probably Republicans, (which was also repeated over and over by the MSM). I knew both those talking points were provably false, and hopefully people can see how false those claims were, as I know this current oil populism is as well. Lou Dobbs of CNN has a big following on totally false reporting about import export of materials n' labor that is catching up with him, (he had to retract some propaganda recently) that was under reported in the MSM, shocked aren't ya. The education system in this Country is sooooo bad, (and we spend lot's of money on it: TG), that we are in danger of giving away the protections we have had since the Cornstatution was ratified 200 years ago by the uninformed minions who rarely think about anything other then whats on Jerry Springer. That is the reason I try to educate here on this thread. I don't like high oil prices or big oil companies either, but I do get it and I will work as hard as I can to help others understand of the perils of BIG GOVERNMENT sucking up all the oxygen in our system. Respectfully JR

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Why is it so easy to believe there is a vast conspiracy by the MSM, the teachers unions, & Libs in general.......
But not any conspiracy or collusion with regard to BIG OIL.....​

No cornspiracy Bro Haut, (don't much believe in 'em. The MSM does still dominate the media markets by any measure ya wanna use and tends to pick their people from Liberal Journalism schools, ( I took some classes from a Communist University in Seattle meself). Change the world was the motto back then, (via editing like Willy's editors do). Doubt it has changed. The internet talk radio and Fox will equalize this overtime. Short MSM I say!!!

Teachers unions do matter Bro. They educate most of our children and mostly support Democrats. who in turn support greater and greater per capita spending, (which clearly helps the teachers unions with real job security) with deteriorating results. Wanna argue that one?

Big Domestic Oil Companies DO NOT DOMINATE THE WORLDS OIL MARKETS, as an uninformed reader of yer posts may think.

That is the difference between these three contraversies: Bro Two are dominant and have real impact that is NOT GOOD. Biased news that cripples our ability to prosecute a current WAR, and uninformed citizens that are easy to manipulate due specifically to a lack of basic knowledge, that makes them very vulnerable to modern propaganda n' polling techinques. Domestic oil follows the worlds' oil markets NOT the other way around. JR

 

[OldMercsRule]

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It only took 2 years to build the Alaska Pipeline.....

That is a long time if ya have a valid defence corncern as yer origional point was, don't ya think Bro?

ANWAR is not all that far from Prudoe Bay....

I agree, why let the present structure deteriorate?

I'd wager they could have Anwar up & running in 2 years if necessary....

Who pays the cost if the present pipeline becomes unusable due to non use?

Anyway its the refiners who are doing most of the market fixin'....
'Course BIG OIL has their hand in it as well......​

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[Tail_Gunner]

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From the horses mouth http://www.newsmax.com/money/archives/articles/2006/5/3/185603.cfm


ExxonMobil chairman Rex Tillerson appeared on NBC's "Today" show this morning and disputed critics' charges that oil companies collude to illegally manipulate oil prices.
He also said that, while he sympathizes with Americans struggling with high prices at the pump, reducing gas supplies won't help the situation either ? unless consumers want longer lines at gas stations.
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"Tillerson said that the price of oil is established on the open commodities market, and the price at the pump eventually reflects that. He also said that the bulk of gasoline prices goes to overseas oil producers ? not to American
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What he is saying here the price of refined gas is bid up in commiditeis market and sold to the world not just the US they we stand in line just like anyone else that the fix they put us in...


Now this is America is it not, Did not your forefather and the forefather's of coutless million's of people give up there live's for the pusuit fo freedom and happiness.........Or did they give it all for a American company to do business with the world and tell us to bad we can get the price and forget your dream's. I knew men from the greatest Generation ever and if they were alive today there would be a revolution there OMR.

Dont all of the American big oil exist with in the banking system here dont they exist with in the healthcare socail service's for there worker's hosptial's, city government's transportation systems, the list is endless

Smite the evil empire i say..........For as you see it is truly corrupt, morally bankrupt and giant with no control's of guidance, willing to disembowl enitire segment's of business smashing hard working people's dreams..

From the depth's of hell i spit at thee, there day will come and revenge is a dish best served cold......

Ok this is killing me im outta here......

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

From the horses mouth http://www.newsmax.com/money/archives/articles/2006/5/3/185603.cfm


ExxonMobil chairman Rex Tillerson appeared on NBC's "Today" show this morning and disputed critics' charges that oil companies collude to illegally manipulate oil prices.
He also said that, while he sympathizes with Americans struggling with high prices at the pump, reducing gas supplies won't help the situation either – unless consumers want longer lines at gas stations.
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"Tillerson said that the price of oil is established on the open commodities market, and the price at the pump eventually reflects that. He also said that the bulk of gasoline prices goes to overseas oil producers – not to American
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What he is saying here the price of refined gas is bid up in commiditeis market and sold to the world not just the US they we stand in line just like anyone else that the fix they put us in...


Now this is America is it not, Did not your forefather and the forefather's of coutless million's of people give up there live's for the pusuit fo freedom and happiness.........

Freedom is what they gave us, SO WE COULD PURSUE HAPPINESS, not tax others to provide happiness in the form of a Socialist grant.

Or did they give it all for a American company to do business with the world and tell us to bad we can get the price and forget your dream's.

TG: Quit the VICTIMHOOD STUFF.

I knew men from the greatest Generation ever and if they were alive today there would be a revolution there OMR.

NO there would not: TG. There have always been Victims: TG, n' many of the "greatest generation" felt Victimized by the Great Depression. That is why they ellected a very Liberal Socialist leaning FDR to four terms. He was a great War time leader but in many ways a terrible President. His policies defeated many protections against the massive government our Founders put in place, and the massive government has been growin' ever
since.

Dont all of the American big oil exist with in the banking system here dont they exist with in the healthcare socail service's for there worker's hosptial's, city government's transportation systems, the list is endless

Smite the evil empire i say..........For as you see it is truly corrupt, morally bankrupt and giant with no control's of guidance, willing to disembowl enitire segment's of business smashing hard working people's dreams..

I guess ya want Socialism then eh TG? I do not. I hope the majority do not want what you want either.

From the depth's of hell i spit at thee, there day will come and revenge is a dish best served cold......

Populism can be dangerious TG. Hope ya feel better soon. JR

 

[waterinthefuel]

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By who's estimate?....
BIG OIL will be fallin' all over themselves tryin' to get at the BIG PROFIT........​

The oil and gas industry estimated that, not me.

If you know so much about oil, you'd know how many years it would take to build the infastructure necessary to harvest oil from such a remote location. You would need to build a pipeline thousands of miles long. You tell me a better estimate based on the past, and I'll give you credit.

But since you know so much I don't have to tell you.

"Tillerson said that the price of oil is established on the open commodities market, and the price at the pump eventually reflects that. He also said that the bulk of gasoline prices goes to overseas oil producers"

I'll be a son of a b---h, I sure don't recall saying THAT a few times to these hard headed loons around here.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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If i replied it would just **** you off, your a young man, fight the good fight.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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If i replied it would just **** you off, your a young man, fight the good fight.

Where's the whistling emoticon?.......