Buying a boat... Water trial from hell

frantically relaxing

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As for passing this up to get a "better" boat-- You just never know. You may pass up a possible bad engine and end up with a complete melon (a lemon that's not even spelled right! ;) )

In my youth, I was working graveyard at Denny's one night when it got really really cold. At 6 am I went out and started my trusty '67 Coronet R/T's 440 and went back in for 15 minutes while it warmed up. Unbeknownst to me, the lower radiator hose was frozen solid. When I came out, I hear all this hissing and wheezing, steam is pouring from the hood, the gauge said "cold" and the inside was still ice cold. When I shut off the key to see what was happening, the thing was so hot it wouldn't shut off! It wasn't dieseling either, it was just plain RUNNING. It eventually started dropping cylinders and died, took over a minute.

I have NO idea how hot that bugger was, but it was 2 hours in 10? weather before I could change the lower radiator hose and <ahem> add some antifreeze.

Afterwards it was like nothing ever happened. It acted exactly as it did before, no extra leaks, no smells, no noises, no nothing.

Engines can take a lot of abuse...

To a point... ;)

Flip side story-- My BIL a few years back was driving his '84 Bronco up a hill when IT started overheating. He took it a bit too far before getting pulled over- The number 2 piston in the 351 hung in the cylinder, which caused the con rod to push a hole thru it, and on the return stroke the rod tore thru the cylinder wall, and sometime after that with no clear path to follow, the rod went out the side of the block. All within a second or two. That's what happens when the get REALLY hot!

Just more commentary to confuse ya! :)
 

airdvr1227

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Ship from FL to CA? That won't be cheap.
 

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I'd say unless the OP knows anything about engines and can understand if or when something goes wrong with this boat or the engine I would easily walk away. Knowing how to mechanic on such things does help understand all the things that can be bad now. It could run really well for a day or week or even a few months, but I will guarantee you that it will/has shorten the life of that engine and dare anybody to state otherwise... There is probably not one person on here that would simply buy a car from anybody if that happened while test driving it...because we all know what could have taken place during that time to the engine. If it is such a great deal, set aside a few more thousands for future engine work because it is coming...JMHO!
 

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Second hand boats are a total PITA. At best you hope for the best and expect the worst. Some win and some lose. In fact brand new boats can break down as well. However, the chances are somewhat less.

Buy one in mint condition and even then you might have problems. I always wonder why the guy is selling it. Sometimes its a divorce and he needs money quick. Those can be deals. But on the other hand if he didn't take that much care of his wife, you can imagine how he took care of his boat.

Sure, lowball the offer to enable the cost of a new engine replacement. Does that suit you? What if she's layed up the whole month of August and the weather is perfect every day? Stay home and watch TV?

To me, my boat is my respite. If the car breaks down on the way to work, or my factory blows up and I get laid off, Oh well. But if my boat fails on my vacation and I'm stuck at the rented cottage on the shore, its worse than the end of the world.

Your choice - how much is reliability worth to you?
 

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Everything is negotiable. Look at this as an opportunity to negotiate a really good deal on a boat that you like. Good luck!
 
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Sorry, I'm not done yet---

Our Sea Ray- Back in '02 we sold it to some friends. Aside from changing a noisy gimbal bearing, we had 4 completely trouble-free seasons with it. Our friends had it 2 weekends before a head gasket let go, filling a cylinder with water while getting fuel, then NOT hydrolocking on start up- meaning, the engine fired before the full cylinder could lock it up. Which sucked, because when it fired, the lock forced the crank down, which broke the block across the top of the main journals.

So much for buying a "perfect" boat. And it was OUR perfect boat! We kicked in half for a used truck motor (a whole $300) and they were back boating the next weekend. A long story follows as to why we still have the Sea Ray, but when we got it back, it was engine-less. One night my stepson caught a local online ad for a used 5.7 OMC boat motor. He called, said the pics looked pretty good, price was $600-- I told him to call the guy RIGHT NOW and tell him we're buying it...

This is it, came out of an '83 Bayliner, for what reason I don't know. Guy who we bought it from bought it for HIS Bayliner, stored it for like 3 years and finally decided to sell it....

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check out the exhaust downpipes, this engine had like 150 hours on it...

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Before I bought it I made sure it wasn't seized up. Oil in it looked brand new. I took it, the boat, and a pile of Mercruiser parts off the old engine to a guy I was referred to near our lake and told him to make our old boat run again. 3 weeks and $1600-something later our Sea Ray was reborn. Runs as good as it looks, no surprises at all. It doesn't have to cost a small fortune to make a boat run. $2200 to re-power and that was having someone ELSE do the work for a change!

(I guess it's obvious which way I'm leaning in this discussion!) :)
 

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Thats interesting to see what you were able to do with repowering your sea ray Relaxing.

What could i source a running 6.2 Mercruiser for? I did some brief searching, and the prices were insane, like $8000..... I'm guessing that's brand new retail price. What are some places to look for good running, reasonably priced motors?

One of the reason i am having such a hard time letting go of this specific boat is because of the engine. I am sure the boat would haul *** with that kind of power behind it. My parents have a 94 2355 with the carbed 5.7, and the performance of that boat is good. I can only imagine what another 80hp would do. So what are the odds that i find another small cruiser with that kind of price, with the trailer, and that level of power upgrade, and in good condition, locally? Probably a long shot....
 

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Tom, with the complications and delay indicated, you're likely to miss half the summer waiting for it to be fixed up. I saw the listing, and here's another BT ad that might be of interest:

Used 2001 Bayliner 232, Perris, Ca - 92571 - BoatTrader.com

It's got the engine and the length you want. It's in Perris, from a reputable dealer....
 

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Tom, with the complications and delay indicated, you're likely to miss half the summer waiting for it to be fixed up. I saw the listing, and here's another BT ad that might be of interest:

Used 2001 Bayliner 232, Perris, Ca - 92571 - BoatTrader.com

It's got the engine and the length you want. It's in Perris, from a reputable dealer....

Thanks for the suggestion, but I really want a full cabin cruiser rather than a cuddy cabin... Although I'm sure that thing absolutely rocks with the 7.4 mpi..... I like the extra weight for a nice wake for skiing/wakeboarding/tubing, and like the usable cabin for cooking/sleeping/ & potty for the ladies... It's one of those win/wins.... I am expecting to hear from the seller tomorrow regarding the boat and what was diagnosed with regards to the accessory that took out the belt...

At that price I could pay asking price and ship that rough doral down to CA....
 

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there is a guy a few slips down from me at the marina with a 26' sea ray sundancer with the 7.4..............was not that impressed with it but i dont know if there were any other issues with the boat .........I only rode on it once to teach him how to back it into the slip
 

T_Herrod

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Deal breaker for me. Walk away.
 

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The 7.4L on a 28 foot cruiser would be in the underpowered club. It will get the job done, but nobody will be impressed.

The price is OK, so if you are not that concerned about power then it may be workable . . .

the listing does not say anything about the trailer. . . Wonder if it is not included.
 

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As far as the Doral goes. I would walk from that too. They indeed made some nice boats. But they are now out of business, and their dealer network in the US has been all but non existent since the brand was introduced. Not that you will require dealer support, but it's not worth worrying about in the future.
 

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I just noticed something very interesting on the Doral. They just dropped the price 3k to $13k. Now that is starting to look pretty intriguing. Assuming there is still some bargaining room, and that the boat is sound, and can be cleaned up satisfactorily, that might be a good option.... Just another thing to confuse me more...
 

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Welcome to used boat purchasing 101!!

Look I normally tell people in your situation to slow down and relax, drink a beer and take a break, your boat will find you, there are SOOOO many boats out there, the worst thing you can do is get your heart involved, I forget if you mentioned this being your first boat but the one thing you have is a buyers market and that is something you should use to the fullest extent, sure the exact specifications you have listed as important for your boat narrow down the market somewhat but that is no reason to make a rash decision, I don't know if you had a time frame but lets face it if you did toss it out the window, the most important thing is making the right decision on the right boat, rushing things will only push you into a bad decision.

Keep posting boats, we love to spend other peoples money!!
 

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Well, the deal is off and I'm asking for my deposit back. They wouldn't make any price concessions. The bearing went out in the impeller, seizing up the water pump. The seller was saying that these things happen frequently with owning a boat, and that nothing is wrong with the engine. He also said that it didn't overheat that bad because of the freshwater cooling. Even though the temperature gauge was pegged the whole time..... I also came across this boat. Opinions?

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/list...access=Public&listing_id=21664&url=&imc=pg-fs
 

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Well, the deal is off and I'm asking for my deposit back. They wouldn't make any price concessions. The bearing went out in the impeller, seizing up the water pump. The seller was saying that these things happen frequently with owning a boat, and that nothing is wrong with the engine. He also said that it didn't overheat that bad because of the freshwater cooling. Even though the temperature gauge was pegged the whole time..... I also came across this boat. Opinions?

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/list...access=Public&listing_id=21664&url=&imc=pg-fs

Is that one a salt water boat? if so walk away. I think you made the right choice in asking for your money back.
 

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Here's a few things I noticed:
1-no pictures of the engine compartment
2-the one picture looks like they have a rope or chain holding up the outdrive. Wonder why
3-the couple pictures of the hull looks like it had bottom paint and they mostly took off most of it off. Probably a slipped boat.
4-if the trailer comes with it, kinda rusty and no side bunk on the starboard side though it looks like a support is there. Port side has 2 posts and the bunk.
5-ad says "Volvo 305" in one spot and "Volvo 305 hp" in another. I think it is a 305 cubic inch which means around 230 hp and that's not much for a 26er
6-800 hours.....depends on how it was maintained...or not

Mark
 
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