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[Kenneth Brown]

Are ya happy now?

 

[ob]

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Without having to search all of the recent topics,what was he right about?

 

[Kenneth Brown]

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He said one day we would all see the light. My subject line is his quote.


MODS- Not a troll, just light hearted humor.

 

[JB]

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Which was he right about?

That we would never turn over the government to Iraq?
That there would never be an election?
That there would never be a Constitution?
That Iraqi security forces would never even start to take over security for their country?

He was wrong then and he is wrong now.

 

[vipzach]

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"I think, Tx, you have a majority of people on this site that have reluctantly come to the conclusion that they have been backing the wrong horse in this race. They keep beating it, but it won't make up any ground. Unfortunately, they have wagered too much on it, and don't want to accept the notion that it isn't going to pay off.

I recall the good old days, during the run up to this war in Iraq, where it was very lonely here to suggest that this war was wrong, and that it would result in an easy military victory followed by the peace from he!! and ultimate civil war.

Most everyone was very vocal telling me how foolish, unpatriotic etc (Fill in your own adjective) I was.

I keep waiting for the posts to come saying "By golly, PW, you were right and we all were wrong, and how could we have been misled so?"

I'm still waiting!

Those were better days for many, however, when you didn't have that pesky reality interfering with their idealogic vision of how the world should be."

That is PW's quote from the excitement thread!

 

[Kenneth Brown]

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Thanks Zach.

 

[Plainsman]

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Ahhhh....but he will never see that JB....it's all dome and gloom...as long as "evil" conservatives are around like me..Economy is good, home ownership is up, tax revenue is at an all time high and unemployment is low...bad..bad Republicans

 

[POINTER94]

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He was right when he said France wouldn't help.

 

[Link]

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Ok KB
You owe me now!
I learned a long time ago not open email or DC topic while drinking anything.
Was just sitting here scanning the new posts when I saw your title!
Knee jerk reaction! Keyboard loves apple juice! NOT! ddd

 

[12Footer]

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PW is good people. His compassion for his fellow man can be seen in most of his posts.. I best not say more, lest i hurt his feelings.


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------------------------------------------------From SW Florida, A proud member of iboats since
March 25, 2001
The old me

 

[Kiwi Phil]

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Why would anybody be critical of PW2.
He is entitled to an opinion.
He puts his points concisively and constructively.
That is what the world I live in is all about.
Disagree by all means, that's your right too.
Cheers
Phillip

 

[PW2]

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Not to worry about my feelings, 12 foot. I checked them at the door.
And JB, you can keep drinking that kool-aid if you wish, but someone at some point in time needs to face the reality of the situation.
Sure I could force my kids to eat spinach when they were young as long as I was bigger and stronger than them, and could force my will over them. I could never get them to like it, and I could never get them to eat it unless through sheer force.

When you have the Iraqi PM Malaki (sp?) apologizing to the Iraqi people for a US asnd Iraqi military led raid on a Sadr Militia death squad, saying a similar raid would never happen again, we have a real problem.

And you have Malaki aligning himself with Iran in support of Hezbollah, we have a real problem.

I have no idea of what the answer is over there now, nor do I have any handy solutions. Which has been my point from the start. Before you start ripping something down, you better have a plan for putting it back together again if that is important.

I hope you are right, JB I hope the Iraqis somehow embrace democracy and decide miraculously to live in peace with themselves and their neighbors.

I see *NO* evidence that is likely to happen anytime soon.

 

[QC]

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I agree, Malaki's recent comments are scaring me. This has nothing to do with the courageous decision to go into Iraq and the courageous decision to stick it out. IMHO my fear only confirms the need to be involved.

 

[PW2]

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Ok, but in a democracy you have to live with the results of elections. That becomes the difficult part sometimes.

Now if you change tactics, for example, send in a few hundred thousand more troops, declare marshal law and make non-military owning of a firearm illegal and subject to being shot on sight for violaters, and get that country under control, now that has some logic behind it. I don't necessarily agree with it, but it has a definable goal at least.

"Staying the Course" is no plan and has no chance of success unless by chance some sort of charismatic benevolent leader emerges that can bring all the disparate factions together (Divine interverntion)

Or we can decide that the artificial boundaries in Iraq are exactly that, artificial, and split Iraq into three parts--Shiite, Sunni, and Kurd.

I just hate to have as a plan our American soldiers being used as targets over there as they are now. Fight foreign intervention, fight Alqaida types I have no problem with, but you don't have to occupy the country to do that.

 

[JB]

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Good point, Pointer.

Yes, he was right about the frogs not helping, but I agreed with that one.8)

 

[LFK]

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I agree, Malaki's recent comments are scaring me. This has nothing to do with the courageous decision to go into Iraq and the courageous decision to stick it out. IMHO my fear only confirms the need to be involved.

You say couragous, I say idiotic.
So Saddam created a network of secret police and a policy of punishing dissent quickly, unfairly and violently. Payed people to rat out their neighbors. Hired thugs and cuthroats as his field agents. Gave them all blanket immunity as long as they keep him in power and the population in fear.

This is Basic Dictatorship 101. So what? It happens anytime a populace allows a dictator to rule over them. At least he was using his power to control two groups of religious extremists that are now no longer being controlled by anyone other than their own religious dictators. There are still death squads, secret networks, and a policy of punishing dissent....only now we look like the **** holding the bag of cats.

Let them fight it out. It is not now and has never been our fight. We can decide how deal with the last man standing, when there's a last man. Oh, wait, that would put us back with only one demagogue, and the neo-cons don't like that.

 

[JasonJ]

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I don't know, I seem to remember reading about a country that went through some issues a few hundred years ago. They didn't want to be ruled over by a foreign country, they ended up ridding themselves of that foreign regime, and had themselves a nice little civil war after that. Then, for some obscure reason, they managed to muddle their way through to accomplish some pretty decent things.

The key was, no one messed with them while they did it, they figured it out among themselves.

With this current mess, we should have never messed with them. we are there, and we have to fix it now, but it just should not have happened. It has had no effect on the "war on terror", because we all know kicking the crap out of a country does not effect this sort of problem any more than good intelligence and a Tomahawk Cruise Missile. We are using a sledghammer when we should have been using a scapel.

 

[PW2]

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And the Shiite majority is simply not interested in working with the Sunni minority over there. Many of them are simply interested in revenge for the years of oppression under Saddam.

If we are going to be in the middle of a civil war, we need to at least decide which side we are on

 

[12Footer]

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Why would anybody be critical of PW2.
He is entitled to an opinion.
He puts his points concisively and constructively.
That is what the world I live in is all about.
Disagree by all means, that's your right too.
Cheers
Phillip

'Zactly... Being critical of PW would be the same as being critical of me or anyone else here, Phil. It happens. But this site is very cival when compared to most stateside forums, given the wide devide between ideologies.

And PW, i was just funnin. 8)




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------------------------------------------------From SW Florida, A proud member of iboats since
March 25, 2001
The old me

 

[JB]

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Dictatorship 101 alone might have allowed Saddam to survive.

* Attacked two neighbors with intent to occupy and annex them.
* When he got his butt whipped he promised to behave, then didn't.
* Proved his possession and willingness to use wmd by murdering his own people, then led the world to believe that he had more and would use them again and that he was developing nuclear arms.
* Defied the UN repeatedly on issues that he had made promises about.
* Attempted to have POTUS assassinated.
* Regularly attacked US aircraft enforcing no-fly zones.
* Stole billions of dollars intended to feed and care for his people from the oil for food program.
* Paid bounties to the families of terrorist suicide bombers.

Those aren't Dictatorship 101, they are Death-Wish 101.

I agree that it was a mistake not to anticipate and prepare for the anarchy that followed Operation Iraqi Freedom, or the "insurgency" that followed that, or the inter sectarian carp going on now.

No battle plan survives after the first shot in any war. You make mistakes, adjust and do what needs doing with what you have to do it with.

We made mistakes in WWI, WWII, Korea and Nam. In the first three we fixed them and went on with it.

In Nam we allowed the media's lust for sensationalism to brainwash the American public into forcing us to abandon our ally to the occupation and annexation of a foreigh invader.

We are at grave risk of the same thing happening to Iraq. If we bug out on a published schedule it will be a theocratic satellite of Iran in 3 years and what credibility we have left will be history.