Can a 2008 Honda Pilot tow a 21' Yamaha?

98Shabah

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Re: Can a 2008 Honda Pilot tow a 21' Yamaha?

Wow.. Where to start here. Ok. First off, auto collision insurance absolutely will cover damages that are your fault (although your rates can then go up or they can cancel you)..

What word in "Manufactures Suggested Towing Capacity" stands out the most? Suggested? Are automakers creating laws?

And the final one.. "transmission cooler addons have no value unless you are in excess of 45mph"?! What?! Automobiles have electric and clutch fans that serve no other purpose than to pull air through the radiator, AC condensor, tranny, power steering, and engine oil coolers when the vehicle is moving at low speed.
 

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Re: Can a 2008 Honda Pilot tow a 21' Yamaha?

YOU asked for our opinions - I'm sorry mine did not agree with yours, however I am glad you're in MO. as it would be unlikely that I'd encounter your overloaded vehicle on my state highways and risk my life. Good luck to you - you're gonna need it.
 

98Shabah

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YOU asked for our opinions - I'm sorry mine did not agree with yours, however I am glad you're in MO. as it would be unlikely that I'd encounter your overloaded vehicle on my state highways and risk my life. Good luck to you - you're gonna need it.

I didn't ask for opinions, the OP did. I'm glad I am in MO as well, great place to live.
 

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Re: Can a 2008 Honda Pilot tow a 21' Yamaha?

also you will probably be rebuilding that transmission very quickly...I wish Honda made a F-250 crew cab, long bed, diesel powered pickup..I am pissed with Ford but for dragging boats and campers around and even general every day MAN uses...Ford F-250 is the way to go..I have 4 children and my wife and we all fit in my crew cab fairly comfortably. And it gets as good or better fuel mileage as the Honda Pilot. I average 15 -17 and around 12-13 pulling a big load..not bad..I also opted for the manual tranny cause I do a lot of tugging
 

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Re: Can a 2008 Honda Pilot tow a 21' Yamaha?

Strokeoluck -- I just went back over each of these posts and found none of them to come remotely close to being "over the line." What I did find was the ever typical responses to your question -- answers by the way that would have turned up using the "Search" feature. Whether it is exceeding towing limits or overpowering a boat, people generally understand something is inherently wrong with that or they wouldn't ask the question. There will always be those that push the limits on anything so if you choose to ignore the advice be prepared to suffer the consequences. Personal responsibility is a trait that is disappearing at a rapid rate in this country. Nobody cares what you do to yourself. They do care what might happen to others who are with you, or to those you share the road with. When things go wrong it is way to easy to blame someone else. Perhaps folks ask these questions because they hope someone will come up with a little known clause in the law that allows them be irresponsible. As for speeding a mile or two over the limit? That gets you a ticket. If it involves personal injury in an accident -- you will likely here from an attorney if it can be proven you were speeding. Low tire pressure is pretty hard to prove in an accident if the tire is flat. Being over the tow limit for a vehicle is not hard to provde if one can add a column of numbers. No -- I don't text while driving. If my phone rings my wife answers it. If she is not with me, it doesn't get answered until or unless I can be off the road. Do your examples of these other infractions make it ok for you to exceed towing limits? These posts were offered in good faith. You are participating in a forum and asked a question that I suspect you already knew what the answer was going to be. After all of these responses you seem to still be looking for confirmation that its ok. Did you really expect eveyone to agree with you? You have two points of view. It is up to you to decide whether you do or you don't exceed the towing limits. Lastly, your comment about a "female book club" is way more over-the-line than any of these posts.
 

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Re: Can a 2008 Honda Pilot tow a 21' Yamaha?

I think Silvertip nailed it. I think that some people ask questions / seek others opinions so that they can factor them into their decision making process and others ask / seek only for the purposes of justifying a decision they have already made. I have no way of knowing into which category the OP falls since I don't know the gentleman. Just my observation - especially when it comes to "would you tow this with that" type of threads. Just my 02. and I can make change!
 

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3. Don't worry about the transmission. It's a Honda. Worry about the lives of yourself and any passengers.

Short answer: No way.

Actually, I dont think that first generation of MDX/ Pilot transmissions is honda's best, I remember the MDX had a bad rap at first with them...
 

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Re: Can a 2008 Honda Pilot tow a 21' Yamaha?

Strokeoluck -- I just went back over each of these posts and found none of them to come remotely close to being "over the line." What I did find was the ever typical responses to your question -- answers by the way that would have turned up using the "Search" feature. Whether it is exceeding towing limits or overpowering a boat, people generally understand something is inherently wrong with that or they wouldn't ask the question. There will always be those that push the limits on anything so if you choose to ignore the advice be prepared to suffer the consequences. Personal responsibility is a trait that is disappearing at a rapid rate in this country. Nobody cares what you do to yourself. They do care what might happen to others who are with you, or to those you share the road with. When things go wrong it is way to easy to blame someone else. Perhaps folks ask these questions because they hope someone will come up with a little known clause in the law that allows them be irresponsible. As for speeding a mile or two over the limit? That gets you a ticket. If it involves personal injury in an accident -- you will likely here from an attorney if it can be proven you were speeding. Low tire pressure is pretty hard to prove in an accident if the tire is flat. Being over the tow limit for a vehicle is not hard to provde if one can add a column of numbers. No -- I don't text while driving. If my phone rings my wife answers it. If she is not with me, it doesn't get answered until or unless I can be off the road. Do your examples of these other infractions make it ok for you to exceed towing limits? These posts were offered in good faith. You are participating in a forum and asked a question that I suspect you already knew what the answer was going to be. After all of these responses you seem to still be looking for confirmation that its ok. Did you really expect eveyone to agree with you? You have two points of view. It is up to you to decide whether you do or you don't exceed the towing limits. Lastly, your comment about a "female book club" is way more over-the-line than any of these posts.

ST, you can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think.

I'm as guilty as anyone of starting threads on here thinking everyone would side with me when they didn't!!! How dare they!!!! You mean people think differently than I do? Who'da thunk it!?? I think the OP is very guilty of wanting support for his decision to tow the boat with the Pilot, not whether or not it could. If he had a bigger vehicle available he'd use it, problem is, he doesn't. He wants support on here, not opinions.
 

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ST, you can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think.

I'm as guilty as anyone of starting threads on here thinking everyone would side with me when they didn't!!! How dare they!!!! You mean people think differently than I do? Who'da thunk it!?? I think the OP is very guilty of wanting support for his decision to tow the boat with the Pilot, not whether or not it could. If he had a bigger vehicle available he'd use it, problem is, he doesn't. He wants support on here, not opinions.

He has mine.....I would accept the risks (minimal IMO) drive carefully and accelerate slowly and for those that disagrree go back and look at the specs...HE IS NOT DOING ANYTHING ILLEGAL. Borderline maybe but that's all.
 

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Boat weight with fuel as indicated in the referenced specs says 4364 pounds. It should be noted that fuel weight varies by temperature so the manufacturer has elected to use the lower of the fuel weights (amounts to just a few pounds total) but if that's true, then how true is the posted weight. Be that as it may, adding a couple hundred pounds of stuff puts the total weight at 4500 pounds which is at the limit for the tow vehicle. Six months after owning this boat I'm betting it weighs 200# more than it does after the initial load of stuff. If this tow vehicle is to carry any passengers, that adds to the weight being towed or subtracts from the maximum tow capacity. If one checks the Honda towing disclaimers (as I did), they have two ratings: 4500 for boats, 3500 for any other trailer. Why is that you say? Simple: its called wind resistance. If a box trailer at 3500# presents a towing limit, then 4500+ with a boat would likely present the same limitations. Whether towing over the manufacturers weight ratings is illegal or not depends on the towing laws in ones state. But that is beside the point. If you knowingly use a product, (any product) in a neglegent manner that results in personal injury or death, it doesn't matter if it is against the law. The legal system will have a field day with you. Your Honda is likely out of warranty so any damage in that regard is on your dime. This entire thread is solely about personal responsibility. In that regard -- it's your call.
 

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Boat weight with fuel as indicated in the referenced specs says 4364 pounds. It should be noted that fuel weight varies by temperature so the manufacturer has elected to use the lower of the fuel weights (amounts to just a few pounds total) but if that's true, then how true is the posted weight. Be that as it may, adding a couple hundred pounds of stuff puts the total weight at 4500 pounds which is at the limit for the tow vehicle. Six months after owning this boat I'm betting it weighs 200# more than it does after the initial load of stuff. If this tow vehicle is to carry any passengers, that adds to the weight being towed or subtracts from the maximum tow capacity. If one checks the Honda towing disclaimers (as I did), they have two ratings: 4500 for boats, 3500 for any other trailer. Why is that you say? Simple: its called wind resistance. If a box trailer at 3500# presents a towing limit, then 4500+ with a boat would likely present the same limitations. Whether towing over the manufacturers weight ratings is illegal or not depends on the towing laws in ones state. But that is beside the point. If you knowingly use a product, (any product) in a neglegent manner that results in personal injury or death, it doesn't matter if it is against the law. The legal system will have a field day with you. Your Honda is likely out of warranty so any damage in that regard is on your dime. This entire thread is solely about personal responsibility. In that regard -- it's your call.

I feel like the wagon train on "Blazing saddles" going in circles. Maybe my computer is playing tricks and giving me different specs than everyone else....but I see 4364 lbs including the trailer and 50 gallons of fuel. I see the pilot specs as being able to tow a BOAT trailer WEIGHING up to 4500 lbs. I know he doesn't have the tranny cooler but in HIS situation and if he understands how to drive easy IT IS DOABLE AND LEGAL. So much for that!! Time to put the wagons up.
 

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You apparently missed the part about passengers and "guessing" at the weight of the "added stuff". One pound over, 50 pounds over, 100 or 200 pounds over, so where does responsibility end. Adding a single passenger with the load at 4500# can put the loading well over the limit. Significant?? No. Over the limit, yes. Two passengers and a bunch of stuff in the back besides the cooler and couple anchors. Weight adds up quickly. As I said -- I'll bet in a matter of a couple of weeks this boat weighs 200# more than it did the day it was first splashed (in addition to the 150 pounds of stuff being claimed here). If this boat was not manufactured with a dual battery system and it now has one, there is another 50 - 60 pounds of unaccounted for weight. Is the boat covered when trailered? Did the trailer weight include a spare tire when the rig was weighed for the spec sheet. Bet it wasn't. Add the weight of the cover and support poles. Boarding ladder added? See where this goes??? Lastly, there are a couple of numbers on the vehicle capacity plate that nobody seems to be bothered with. Look at the placard on the door jam for the GAWR (gross axle weight rating) front and rear. The rear gross axle weight rating may be exceeded if this vehicle has a couple of adults in the back seat, stuff in the rear, and the 500 pounds of tongue weight. I would then venture to say that sooner or later this rig is going on a road trip that takes in a couple days or a weeks vacation at a resort somewhere. Ever taken a trip like that without luggage, food, and the bags and boxes of stuff that individually don't seem to amount to much but if you weighed it you would say why are taking all this stuff. That's the point of all this. It isn't just about can I tow it.
 

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Guys I feel like were just missing the point here, its not that the OP can or can't do it, but if he does and gets into an accident what are the ramifications of his actions. Part of the job Law Enforcement has been charged with doing isn't just black and white law to us its also determining negligence which the insurance companies or the victim then use to go after the negligent party civilly. That's why I posted the statute of my state that law enforcement will use to charge the offending party, that's how Law Enforcement here in CO determines negligence, they charge the guilty party so that the victim knows who was at fault, at that point the victim can use a civil court to recoup their costs of the accident. Bigdee I think ultimately we are arguing the same point the problem is your arguing a technicality, that's why I posted the statute here in CO it could very well be different where you live but where I live as I stated in my post you will be charged with a traffic infraction IF you are involved in an accident and are determined to be at fault, if further investigation determines you knowingly exceeded the manufacturers tow ratings of the vehicle you are also guilty of willful and wanton disregard of the safety of person or property, Which is breaking the law its no technicality the only gray area is that you will never be charged with this if you never have an accident. While I understand your point that were all doom and gloom and that we shouldn't try to scare people I feel differently, I believe the OP asked for an opinion, I then told him the facts, I quoted the law and now he can chose on his own what he wants to do knowing exactly that his actions are Illegal in at least one state. Most normal people would then go and look into the legalities of their home state but that's not my problem or yours or Silvertips but to argue about hypothetical weights on paper is useless you know darn well that once the OP loads his boat, gear, gas and passengers he will be over weight the margin is just to close.

Not meant as a rant but I have verified this thoroughly including with several State Patrol Officers and Sheriffs Deputies all of which are accident investigators that I personally know, this situation is very common they see it nearly everyday albeit not boats but others towing vastly more then the tow vehicle is rated for, every one of my sources also said that the criminal side of an accident of this type is miniscule as compared to the civil side.

I have also stated in previous posts that there are those that have the skill or vision whatever you want to call it to tow loads that may exceed the ratings of the tow vehicle and have never had an issue and I may be one of them BUT none of us know the OP personally or his skills, I can toot my own horn and tell everyone here that I tow 10,000lbs regularly, I have towed up to 16,000lbs behind my 1 ton diesels and have hauled more driving a tractor over the passes here in Colorado but those are just words on the web none of you know me so whats that worth? That's why I posted the law, verify at will.

In closing I always like to put a smile on the faces of those I am in heated debate with so please enjoy a related video that thankfully no one was injured in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05ru1l2gN88

Please be safe everyone
 

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Excellent Video - I hope all on this thread see it!
 

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Excellent Video - I hope all on this thread see it!

This video is not relevant to this discussion....Do you know that a honda pilot weighs the same as a Chevy Silverado? What about only 58Lbs lighter than a 2wd Ford F-150! I am sorry for the absurdity that this post has elevated to, but as a person with an engineering background I base my answers on data.
 

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Excellent Video - I hope all on this thread see it!

This video is not relevant to this discussion....Do you know that a honda pilot weighs the same as a Chevy Silverado? What about only 58Lbs lighter than a 2wd Ford F-150! I am sorry for the absurdity that this post has elevated to, but as a person with an engineering background I base my answers on data.
 

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This video is not relevant to this discussion....Do you know that a honda pilot weighs the same as a Chevy Silverado? What about only 58Lbs lighter than a 2wd Ford F-150! I am sorry for the absurdity that this post has elevated to, but as a person with an engineering background I base my answers on data.

Silverado curb weight is 5423. Being a little more objective than you I used a 4-door/short box 4WD. If you are going make comparisons at least you can compare features as well. The high end Pilot weighs 4608 and the Silverado 5423. If weight is important, then the Silverado has an 800 pound advantage. The Pilot has a 109 inch wheelbase while the Silverado has 143. The fine print in the Honda specs also indicates that PREMIUM fuel is required when towing over 3500#. The Silverado has a wider track. Honda doesn't even publish GVWR, GCWR, Payload, or front and rear Axle Capacity. For the record, Silverado GVWR = 7000, GCWR = 11,000, Payload = 1671/1731 depending on equipment, front axle capacity = 3950 and rear axle capacity = 4000. Now then -- which vehicle would prefer to tow with. Even a recent engineering grad should be able make reasonable comparisons when evaluatiing a product. But then I've run across engineers that can't design their way out of a box or do basic math without a calcuator.
 

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but as a person with an engineering background I base my answers on data.

So using that theory we should build bridges that are "just about" capable of taking the load put on them ??? use life jackets that are "just capable" of keeping your weight afloat ??? lifting chains and cables that can "just manage" the rated load ??? etc, etc, etc !!!
Hope I am not on the receiving end of any of your projects :eek::eek::eek:
 

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And then there is this tidbit: "This video is not relevant to this discussion...."

Seems to me it is very applicable to this discussion. It shows a too-small vehicle towing a "to-large load". Can it tow it? Obviously. Safely? Not so much!!!
 

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And then there is this tidbit: "This video is not relevant to this discussion...."

Seems to me it is very applicable to this discussion. It shows a too-small vehicle towing a "to-large load". Can it tow it? Obviously. Safely? Not so much!!!

Agree, pretty much sums it up !!!:eek:
 
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