can i launch withwet underfloor foam?

badman

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got a boat from the 60's here and lots of water got into the underfloor when it was stored under a leaking barn roof..
drained it out, took an hour. black as you like... probably from rotten ply.
Now its all dry, can i launch the boat on its maiden re-launch?
i assume if the boat gets swamped it will not have buoyancy due to sodden foam?
or is this not really that important?
does underfloor foam actually stop boats from going under when swamped?
ta.
matt
 

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badman

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can i launch withwet underfloor foam?

got a boat from the 60's here and lots of water got into the underfloor when it was stored under a leaking barn roof..
drained it out, took an hour. black as you like... probably from rotten ply.
Now its all dry, can i launch the boat on its maiden re-launch?
i assume if the boat gets swamped it will not have buoyancy due to sodden foam?
or is this not really that important?
does underfloor foam actually stop boats from going under when swamped?
ta.
matt
 

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Chiliando

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Re: can i launch withwet underfloor foam?

Are you serious?
 

coastalcruiser

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Re: can i launch withwet underfloor foam?

Chiliando Are you serious?

He is serious, Matt has been working on this boat for awhile. He made his own manifolds and has one of the first omc's ever made. I guess its like a junkyard challenge.

Matt,
obviously you cant swim. no problems. here what ya do. stay close to shore put a life jacket on and if she sinks your German shepherd will tow you to the nearest shore :D
 

superpop

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Re: can i launch with wet under floor buoyancy foam?

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Waterlogged foam is bad because it adds a lot of weight to the boat. You can do whatever you want but I would not trust it for any period of time. It depends on how much drained out. On a boat that size you could have several hundred extra pounds of water in the foam. Couple that with a rotted infrastructure and you have a recipe for disaster.
 

badman

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Re: can i launch withwet underfloor foam?

haha. yeah, we were thinking of tethering it at launch with a really long rope, and leaving it tethered!
on a serious note, what type of foam is it?
dried it out by running air through it for a few days.
just don't want it to get in there again.
good to hear from you again.
matt
 

badman

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yeah. good point about the weight.
what sort of foam is it?
and is it generally exterior ply under the deck and used to make the deck.... resin coated?
thanks
matt
 

Chiliando

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Re: can i launch withwet underfloor foam?

Can you take a video of it?

Please!
 

4JawChuck

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Re: can i launch withwet underfloor foam?

I think you have some choices to make regarding safety, my main concern would be the strength of the transom. Any rot/flex in this area could be disasterous.

Soaked floatation foam won't keep the boat afloat if the boat is flipped or swamped, on a small river this wouldn't be much of an issue...on the ocean it could be life or death in an emergency.

While looking for my current boat I looked at hundreds of boats, most had wet foam to some degree although if you asked the owner they would deny it. I soon realized some amount of moisture is to be expected in a boat stored outside, the only way your ever going to keep it perfectly dry is stored inside and kept out of the water.:p

I would guess that the transom wood on 90% of the boats out there have water intrusion to some degree, marine plywood does not degrade unless it starts to rot. I drilled 6 holes in my transom to test the wood condition before I mounted my current motor, the bottom 2 inches had water in it but the wood was still strong and not rotten...am I worried? Nope, I sealed them up with 5200 and every year I re-drill the bottom holes to drain out the water so it drys out over winter and does not freeze and thaw causing damage to the transom.

Boats get wet, carpet gets wet, wood gets wet...if these items couldn't take it then they shouldn't be in a boat. I stopped being scared of water intrusion in a wood reinforced boat since I seen all of them have it to some degree, the AL boats I looked at were the worst it seems...I guess people think AL boats can get wet and fill with water and not cause damage WRONG!

So you got wet foam, so does everyone else...dry it out. Is the transom rotten to the point it is dangerous? This is the question you need to answer for yourself. Boats float by displacement, as long as it still does that it will float. If the foam is wet and soaking its not going to float if the boat is filled with water, if it is a river runner I would rather it sank while I swam to shore...insurance can buy me a new one.;) The real drawback of wet foam is the weight, its like carrying around two extra people in the boat.

The last issue you didn't address is the fiberglass condition, water can infiltrate fiberglass if it is aged and cracked from UV exposure, a tapping hammer test will tell you if there are any voids in the hull...this is how they test fiber helicopter blades.

If the transom is strong and sound and the fiberglass is not degraded I think you have a good project there that needs some TLC to make it right, I would certainly take it out for a river test without reservations as long as the bilge worked properly and I remembered to put the drain plug in. Take it easy and go slow, rebuild the boat as you have time at the end of the season...take note of all the other old boats on the water that look like yours and rest assured their foam and wood is in similar condition...they are just in denial.:)
 

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Re: can i launch withwet underfloor foam?

Wet foam does not dry out. Take a drill and drill in to the foam you will see how dry it really is. If it's been sitting soaked for a long time the stringers are probably rotted out as well as the transom. Take a 1/4" drill bit and do the same to the stringers and transom. Chances are you will get rotten wood everywhere.This post should have been put in the restoration thread where they deal with this everyday. Read up on it there and do a few checks of the shape of your boat and you can at least make an informed decision on whether your boat is seaworthy or not.
 

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Re: can i launch with wet under floor buoyancy foam?

Re: can i launch with wet under floor buoyancy foam?

Take a circular saw and run around the perimeter of the deck, its shot to heck anyway. Gut it all out , saving stringers for templates.
Test the transom by drilling core holes and inspect the drill chips for black wet wood, its very likely shot too.

Glass new stringers in place, foam or no foam.
Re-deck with PT ply and glass it using mat.


sounds simple eh?;)
 

badman

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Re: can i launch withwet underfloor foam?

I think you have some choices to make regarding safety, my main concern would be the strength of the transom. Any rot/flex in this area could be disastrous.
Take it easy and go slow, rebuild the boat as you have time at the end of the season...take note of all the other old boats on the water that look like yours and rest assured their foam and wood is in similar condition...they are just in denial.:)

Thanks for the helpful replies.
True, i hadnt considered transom integrity and fibreglass condition.

We had a chat about this and i took the inner bung out when i moved it from the barn and it was empty.

Then the boat sat outside for 2 months in some of the heaviest rain we have had in years. i had the outer bung out but the inner bung in.
water pools at the rear side of the deck and doesn't drain down into the under engine sump and out... it can't get there as a reinforcing block of wood stops its flow.
so, it sits... and soaks past thematting join there and was filling up the inner chambers.

So, based on all the feedback, i will probably skill saw the central floor surface out next week, inspect, clean and remove foam etc.
Dry it all out and replace and seal the surface for the test.

Unfortunately, the transom is not accessible from the floor. This is due to the shape of the rear top fibreglass - it comes down and in front of the engine. And the side flooring next to the engine / transom is very small and hard to get at.

However, i know the deck there is rotten as i was applying resin there one time.

DO MOST PEOPLE DRILL CHECK THE TRANSOM FROM OUTSIDE THE HULL? AND FILL WITH RESIN AFTER?

many thanks
Ta!
 

badman

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Re: can i launch with wet underfloor foam?

Re: can i launch with wet underfloor foam?

I think you have some choices to make regarding safety, my main concern would be the strength of the transom. Any rot/flex in this area could be disastrous.
Take it easy and go slow, rebuild the boat as you have time at the end of the season...take note of all the other old boats on the water that look like yours and rest assured their foam and wood is in similar condition...they are just in denial.:)

Thanks for the helpful replies.
True, i hadnt considered transom integrity and fibreglass condition.

We had a chat about this and i took the inner bung out when i moved it from the barn and it was empty.

Then the boat sat outside for 2 months in some of the heaviest rain we have had in years. i had the outer bung out but the inner bung in.
water pools at the rear side of the deck and doesn't drain down into the under engine sump and out... it can't get there as a reinforcing block of wood stops its flow.
so, it sits... and soaks past thematting join there and was filling up the inner chambers.

So, based on all the feedback, i will probably skill saw the central floor surface out next week, inspect, clean and remove foam etc.
Dry it all out and replace and seal the surface for the test.

Unfortunately, the transom is not accessible from the floor. This is due to the shape of the rear top fibreglass - it comes down and in front of the engine. And the side flooring next to the engine / transom is very small and hard to get at.

However, i know the deck there is rotten as i was applying resin there one time.

DO MOST PEOPLE DRILL CHECK THE TRANSOM FROM OUTSIDE THE HULL? AND FILL WITH RESIN AFTER?

many thanks
Ta!
 

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Re: can i launch with wet underfloor foam?

Re: can i launch with wet underfloor foam?

Please only post your topic in a single section. I merged your posts.
 

coastalcruiser

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Re: can i launch withwet underfloor foam?

DO MOST PEOPLE DRILL CHECK THE TRANSOM FROM OUTSIDE THE HULL? AND FILL WITH RESIN AFTER?

Okay first thing is using all capital letters is like shouting :rolleyes:

I wouldn't do that. If there is no access I think the way to go is to separate the top from the hull. Post some photos and a link to your website somebody asked to see some video, keep posting here in this section. You will find lots of guys doing what your setting out to do.

i had the outer bung out but the inner bung in.

What is a bung?

Rob
 
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