cant get lower end back on

[MaddysDaddy]

i have a small sporttwin i removed the lower end. i slide it back in and reconect the rod but when i try to slide it in that last 1/2 '' it wont go in. i dont want to force it. what do i do ???
i have a feeling it has some thing to do with the copper (water intake?) pipe that slides in along side the shaft. i can line it up with the hole no problem then slide it in. is there another hole that it must past thru? Also the copper is bent. Should it be straight?

 

[Joe Reeves]

Re: cant get lower end back on

What is the model number of that engine. We need it to determine make, hp, and year.

The water tubes are usually bent somewhat BUT for us to say yours is bent or not..... we would need a picture or two of it.

The water tube should be secured in the upper portion of the engine (bottom of the powerhead area) and slid into the water pump grommet as the lower unit is raised to the exhaust housing. Sounds like you may be inserting it into the water pump first, then trying to install it?

Thousands of parts in my remaining stock. Not able to list them all. Let me know what you need and I'll look it up for you. Visit my eBay store at:

http://stores.ebay.com/Evinrude-Johnson-Outboard-Parts-etc?refid=store

 

[MaddysDaddy]

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yeah i had a feeling it sould hav stayed in, if i pull it out of the waterpump can i still get it in the top? does the fact that it came out of the top mean there is a problem?

by the way the plate is missing and the hood as been repaired and painted i dont even no how many horse it is!!!??

 

[Joe Reeves]

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There may be a core plug on the powerhead (looks like a quarter size freeze out plug). That may have the model number on it. If not, we'll need a detailed description or some pictures of it.

 

[F_R]

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The upper and lower water tube grommets are the same on a 10hp Sportwin. Insert the tube in the upper one first, then install the lower unit and you can see what your are doing as you align the tube with the pump grommet.

Now, if you have a 9.5hp Sportwin, that is a different story. If the water tube pulled out of that one, it shouldn't have. And it is a MAJOR job to reinstall it. Some disassembly and reassembly are required. (Yeah, right).

 

[Rick.]

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You might try this. Have it in gear and as your pushing it home turn the prop a wee bit and see if that helps. It could just be the splines on your shaft. Best of luck. Rick.

 

[MaddysDaddy]

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thats for your tips guys! i was able to pull the copper out of the water pump and push it in to the top. but it didnt feel like i hit a nother rubber gromlet. i got it in far enuff to fit the lower end back on but i am still a little worried about the fact that it came out in the first place, i didn't think it was peeing enuff before i started all this so i think it mabe be a promblem the p o was just living with or did't know any better
i will post soon and update

by the way i noticed that plug on the powerhead i will get the numbers and post when i get home! please god i need to know what i am working on, if i get my hand on a repair manaul i will have to start a new thread called mikes rebuild!!!!!!
maybe i am pipe dreamin... i just want to get it runin right!

 

[MaddysDaddy]

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yeah i turned the prop it hangs up a little but when i turn the prob it slides in another 1/2 '' and thats when the copper was hangin me up but i think i may ahve that fixed

 

[MaddysDaddy]

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There may be a core plug on the powerhead (looks like a quarter size freeze out plug). That may have the model number on it. If not, we'll need a detailed description or some pictures of it.

the number on that is 9322b jo4214, thanks

 

[Joe Reeves]

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Model 9322B is a 1973 9.5hp Evinrude.

Having that water tube pull out of the powerhead area is a mechanics nightmare of the worse kind. Getting that tube back where it belongs is something just short of a miracle.

The top of that tube is held in place by what some might call a good size "Star Washer" which slides over the top of the tube and locks it in place..... next to impossible to see when viewed from the bottom of the long exhaust housing.

The proper way to install it is to remove the powerhead and exhaust housing from the pan assembly, remove the powerhead from the exhaust housing, then and only then can one get to the actual water tube, O Ring, and the retaining star washer. Hellava job!

 

[F_R]

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Oh-oh. 1973 9.5hp. Like I said, the tube is not supposed to come out. It is secured at the top end by a push nut. I wasn't kidding when I said major job. The motor has to be shucked out of the shell and then the powerhead has to come off. Not a job for the timid and a service manual is a must.

 

[MaddysDaddy]

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sounds like a lot of fun! now that i have a model number i can start looking for the book, and start taking the thng a part. why would that tube pull out of the top? it should slide out of the water pump pretty easy right? how much should i expect to pay to have this fixed? is the 73 sportiwn worth saving?

 

[Joe Reeves]

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I just stuck a picture up with my previous reply, take a look. That's the portion that the powerhead sits upon.

Repairs? Frankly, it would be expensive..... better to make notes, take pictures before and while dismantling and do it yourself.

 

[MaddysDaddy]

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yeah i dont really have a choice for now, i looked up the book almost, $40 are they avalable used? i have most all your common tools are there ny speicalty tools needed?
do you know of any threads for this motor? thanks alot for the replys, you guys are this motors only hope.

 

[F_R]

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No special tools required. But an impact screwdriver is a big help (the kind that rotates when you smack it with a hammer). Anybody working on outboards should have one of those anyway.

While you have it apart is an excellent time to deal with putting in a new shift rod boot. It WILL fail sooner or later, and then it won't run with the hood on. Trouble with that part and others is they are no longer made. The search begins.

 

[MaddysDaddy]

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yeah it looks like i'll be starting that thread, "mikes first rebuild" after all! I am counting on the iboats members to piont me in the right directon
my first step is to find a book for my 1973 9.5 sport twin and a parts diagram would be nice too. I found new books for $40, are there used books out there i can pick up cheap? I plan on dismanteling tomorrow so i will start a thread with pics. of what the motor looks like now and update as i go. i would really like you guys to check out my progress and help me get this thing back in the water! you guys are great, a few days ago didn't even know what horsepower let-a-lone what model i had, now i am about to disect it! thanks again for all the info!

just to be sure..... i did get the water tube up far enuff into the powehead for the lower end "clear" and push up tight. Is that ok i dont see how it could move in or out once is all bolted back together, it doesnt sound like the "star washer" is watertight, is it nessasery for the water tube to be "fixed" ?

what can i do down the road to make sure i dont pull the water tube out of the powerhead?, it was very hard to pull the water tube out of the water pump, i can see why it woiuld pull out of the top end.

 

[MaddysDaddy]

Re: cant get lower end back on

yeah it looks like i'll be starting that thread, "mikes first rebuild" after all! I am counting on the iboats members to piont me in the right directon
my first step is to find a book for my 1973 9.5 sport twin and a parts diagram would be nice too. I found new books for $40, are there used books out there i can pick up cheap? I plan on dismanteling tomorrow so i will start a thread with pics. of what the motor looks like now and update as i go. i would really like you guys to check out my progress and help me get this thing back in the water! you guys are great, a few days ago didn't even know what horsepower let-a-lone what model i had, now i am about to disect it! thanks again for all the info!

just to be sure..... i did get the water tube up far enuff into the powehead for the lower end "clear" and push up tight. Is that ok i dont see how it could move in or out once is all bolted back together, it doesnt sound like the "star washer" is watertight, is it nessasery for the water tube to be "fixed" ?

what can i do down the road to make sure i dont pull the water tube out of the powerhead?, it was very hard to pull the water tube out of the water pump, i can see why it woiuld pull out of the top end.

 

[F_R]

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Look at the picture Joe posted. The push nut holds it in. The oring seals it.

OK, just for laughs, start it up and see if the water goes through the powerhead and out the bellows hose (exhaust relief outlet). If it does, you somehow managed to get it back in the right place. Yes, it probably will pull out again next time you remove the lower unit because the push nut is messed up.

 

[Joe Reeves]

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If that water tube IS NOT lined up properly, starting the engine will result in shooting water directly into the powerhead's exhaust ports.

 

[F_R]

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Hm.m.m, yes that is a good point. Possible, I suppose. But then again, the exhaust covers have that funny up-then-down route. I guess you are on your own if you try it.