cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

luisdeleon

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the water pump didn't work and i tried to replace it but can't get it back on, seems that the shifter rod is not going in all the way in. any trick or proceedures to get it back on? and wich way should the rubber prop be bent in the housing seem there is not much room for bolting that part back on. just like when i took it off but that was easier.
 

luisdeleon

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Re: cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

What are the steps for replacing the water pump? That would help me out. And also I got it off without taking the gears/ prop off and know can't get it back on. Also wich direction should the rubber prop for the water pump go?

Thanks,

Luis
 

luisdeleon

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Re: cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

this is were i'm stuck on getting the gears off. anyone know what i need to do to take this off?

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robert graham

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Re: cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

go to bogueinletnc.com/yamaha and click on water pump replacement and it gives you step by step instructions with color photos explaining each step. an individual would be a lot better to use this instruction while trying to do this. not that it's that difficult, but there are quite a few steps to get it done right without screwing it up. Good Luck!
 

luisdeleon

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Re: cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

I forgot to mention that it is a Suzuki DT 85 a bit different than the yamaha
 

stylesabu

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Re: cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

i just pulled prop shaft on my dt 75, its a little different. but both are a press fit. are those three holes threaded? if so you need a steering wheel type puller, but your bolts are going to be fairly long. i used a couple of 1 pound slide hammers attached to two bolts, my cover has only 2 bolts. if i could figue out how to ttach picture i would show you.
 

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Re: cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

I've never changed an impeller on anything larger then a 50hp but when I go to slide the LU back in on smaller outboards the splines aren't lined up so I slowly turn the flywheel by hand and the LU will usually slide in within a 1/4 turn.
 

stylesabu

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Re: cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

are you trying to put back together or try to remove lower unit to get at drive shaft or water pump. it look like all you have done is remove prop, correct? then once prop shaft is out lower unit will slide right down when case bolts are loosen. and you can get to water pump and drive shaft. pay attention to pieces and location
 

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Re: cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

You have to be sure that the impeller blades are set up in the correct direction. The drive shaft must be rotated in the clockwise direction looking from the top as you press the housing over the impeller. If not the pump will not work.
When locating the lower into the housing the driveshaft splines must line up with the crankshaft splines, rotate the shaft or the motor to do this, the water pump outlet must engage in the tube and the shift rod must line up with the upper connection.
The manual would be a good investment.
Stylsabu you are reffering to the drive shaft not the prop shaft.
 

luisdeleon

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Re: cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

what i am trying to do is replace the water pump. I have gotten it all put together but know the shift rod doesn't whant to go all the way in or down so that i can bolt the water pump housing in and push the lower unit up to bolt it together.
 

luisdeleon

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Re: cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

this is the end of the shift rod

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and this is what it has to go in but that little rod that crosses it is what i'm thinking is keeping it from going any further

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and this is the water pump i got it all out but it wont go back in!

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luisdeleon

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Re: cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

another thing i looked on browns point and the dt85/75 doesn't have the three bolts, there is a rubber ring attated to it right after the prop. browns point shows something like the pic with the two bolts. and they are all the same up to 2000
 

luisdeleon

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Re: cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

Ok so I was missled in year, I'm possitive it is a 80-82 found the lower unit on brownspoint and matches the same one I have. So now how am I going to get the prop shaft to slide out the three bolts you see are studs, I'd have to use somthing like a steering wheel pulled but how with those studs? Is there a tool for this?
 

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Re: cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

Ok now I understand what you are doing.
These shift cams frequently pop out if great care is not taken.
Yes the propshaft/gear assembly has to be removed. There is a spring loaded ball which runs in the detent on the back of the cam. When the cam is removed this ball and spring pops out of the housing and prevents the cam being reinserted.
Unfortunately the aluminum case and the studs corode and weld together. You may have to use heat around the studs and casing to free the casing.
In any event you will probably need a puller.
This is what I fabricated.
A strong piece of angle iron, 1.5 inches or bigger, about 10 inches long. Drill a hole in the center of one face of sufficient size to fit over the prop shaft threads. Two lengths of 3/8 threaded rod and four nuts. The length of each rod must be longer than the prop shaft. Cut a 'V' into one end of each rod to fit around the case edge above the housing ring and around the Skeg edge below the housing ring. Drill two holes in the iron to accept the rods spaced so as to line up on the case and skeg. Use two nuts on each rod to hold the rods in position in the iron and the rods pressing on the casing and skeg with the iron fitted over the shaft. Keep everything square. Using the shaft nut try tightening it to apply pressure. If your lucky this will be enough to free the shaft assembly. If not then careful application of heat at the stud areas and around the casing, with the pressure applied, should do the trick.
You will need to replace the large seal 'O' ring. Hopefully the shaft seal is still in good shape. If not, this is the time to replace it.
Good luck.
 

stylesabu

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Re: cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

now i understand, you dropped lower unit with out pulling prop shaft. that's why it won't go back together. mine is an 86 and it was a little corroded,but it came apart once i found a method that worked.
 

luisdeleon

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Re: cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

Yup, but thus is a good learning experiance for me. What sucks is that the engine is older than what they told me it was, but I went this far in getting it running I have to finish it.

Anyone know if using a 86-87 fuel pump on my 80-82 engine give me any problems, I naught that part thinkin it was a 86, it starts but who know if it would give me problems
 

James R

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Re: cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

The pumps look much the same. Only one digit change in the PN. Probably a minor change which wont affect the running.
 

luisdeleon

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Re: cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

The pumps look much the same. Only one digit change in the PN. Probably a minor change which wont affect the running.

the pump looked identical as the one that was on my engine

thanks,
Luis
 

stylesabu

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Re: cant get lower unit back on 86 dt85

is everything back together and working? i just replaced prop shaft and waterpump on my 86 dt 75. so i can help if you still need it
 
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