Carb. backfiring

Wsearay

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Hi, i have a mercruiser 888(ford 302) with a new 2bbl carb. I took the boat out to go test it after doing at tune-up, i accelerate slowly to 2500rpm and leave it there for about 10mins no change in rpm and it backfire's out the carb. and wants to stall out so i let off throttle to 1500 to try and save it, but it stall out. I wait a few mins, then it starts back up and i head back to dock at low rpm bout 1000-1500. It stall out once on the way back to dock. Any help would be appreciated.
 

coastalcruiser

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Re: Carb. backfiring

Hi I have the same engine and have had all sorts of things go wrong.
it backfired before when I took the distributor out. So maybe check the timing (simple to dys) also the points on mine are not able to hold their setting. the previous owner put in pertronix points bypass they are good but expensive if they short out
 

Tipsy

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Re: Carb. backfiring

Hi, I also have a 75 SRV220 with the 888 Merc. Had the same problem with backfire and traced it to the vent line to my gas tank. Cleaned it out and it's been fine ever since.
Good luck!
 

Haut Medoc

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Re: Carb. backfiring


Have you changed your water separating fuel filter?.....
Backfire through the carb is generally.....
Bad intake valve......
Lean condition....(Water in fuel will cause this)....
Moisture in the dist cap.....
Bad ignition wires, transferring spark to wrong cylinder.......;)
What, if any, PM has been done to it?......:)
 

180shabah

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Re: Carb. backfiring

I agree, it sounds like a fuel issue. It ran fine under load for 10 minutes, then started to backfire and lose power. Time to start testing and checking.
Fuel tank vent, condition of fuel, fuel filter, fuel pump, carb, etc...
 

Wsearay

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Re: Carb. backfiring

Thanks guys for the responses, i will be checking the fuel tank vent and pump this weekend. I set the timing at 10(man. spec) it was at 15. points,condencer,rotor,cap and wires new. Inline fuel filter,water separator and fuel are all new. Im hoping its not intake valves.... Maybe it is the fuel pump because somtimes when it stalls out and i go to load the carb its misting not squirting, i have to crank the motor over a bunch of times to get fuel up there. Is that normal? Maybe the pumps about to die. Anymore help would be great, thanks.
 

JustJason

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Re: Carb. backfiring

its its a new carb... double check to make sure the float height is correct for your engine...
sounds like the bowl is running out of fuel and your lean poppin
 

Haut Medoc

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Re: Carb. backfiring

Thanks guys for the responses, i will be checking the fuel tank vent and pump this weekend. I set the timing at 10(man. spec) it was at 15. points,condencer,rotor,cap and wires new. Inline fuel filter,water separator and fuel are all new. Im hoping its not intake valves.... Maybe it is the fuel pump because somtimes when it stalls out and i go to load the carb its misting not squirting, i have to crank the motor over a bunch of times to get fuel up there. Is that normal? Maybe the pumps about to die. Anymore help would be great, thanks.
It does sound like a lean condition.......
I would check for signs of gas in the sight glass, if you see any, your pump is on the way out....
I doubt it is a valve, because it would be more frequent.......;)
 

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Re: Carb. backfiring


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HOW TO: Testing Your Boats Fuel System.
Boats seem to have a lot more problems with the fuel system compared to the auto industry. Mostly due to all the "Marine Specific" parts in the system required to make the system safe in a boat. Anti-Siphon valves, special fuel lines, water separating fuel filters just to name a few.
Below is a way of testing your boats fuel system if you suspect a problem. Note, this is for testing the BOATS fuel system which includes everything up to the engines fuel pump. It assumes (I know, bad choice of words, but you have to start somewhere) the fuel pump and carburetor are working properly.
Most of the information below was just copy and pasted out of a Volvo manual. All I did was put it in one place and separate it from other information.


The Snap-On fuel gauge mentioned below is not a necessity; any good fuel pump pressure/vacuum gauge will work or even a single vacuum gauge. I have one from NAPA that works fine for the tests. They may not be super accurate, but if you have zero vacuum, you have a leak and if it's real high you have a plugged system. Use some common sense and think about the results you have on the gauge.
You also need to make up some proper fuel hoses for YOUR boat. Since you probably won't be working on very many, get the right stuff and make your job easy and safe instead of difficult and dangerous. Fittings that will fit the carb and fuel pump will be necessary. Don't even think about cutting that steel line and hose clamping a tee for the gauge to it.

A couple of problems that can be caused by a defective fuel system is.
1. Low WOT (Wide Open Throttle) rpms. (When the engine used to be fine)
2. Engine dies out when running at any rpm.


Vacuum Testing Fuel System
This test must be performed with engine under load; either running in gear on the water or in gear connected to a dynamometer. Ensure that all fuel line connections are leak free.
1. Install Vacuum and Fuel Pressure Gauge such as Snap-on? Tools MT311JB or equivalent, and 8 in. (20,3 cm) of clear, fuel resistant vinyl hose into the fuel line at the filter fuel pump inlet fitting. (NOTE: On some engines there is a filter hard plumbed to the fuel pump, these engines should have the gauge attached to the fuel filter and not the pump itself. )
2. Start engine and allow it to reach normal operating temperature. Run engine at full throttle (NOTE: As noted above, this is done under load, not on muffs) for at least 2 minutes; observe vacuum gauge reading and check clear hose for air or vapor bubbles. Gauge reading must not exceed 4 in. of mercury (Hg) at any time, and there should be no bubbles visible in the clear hose. Compare observations to the following:

Gauge reads 1-4 in. of mercury (Hg) - air bubbles present
Supply side of fuel system has an air leak. Check for air leak on suction side of fuel system
Possible areas of problems.
1. Loose or broken hose clamps
2. Wrong type hose clamp used (Use mini clamps not standard size clamps)
3. Filter seal leaking
4. Pickup tube in fuel tank defective.
5. Loose, cracked, corroded fittings in the system (including the tank and fuel filter)
Repair or replace suspect part, then make another vacuum test to verify repair.

Gauge reading exceeds 4 in. of mercury (Hg)
Supply side of fuel system has a restriction. Check points of possible
failure as noted below.
1. Water or debris in fuel/fuel filter
2. Fuel pickup tube and screen blockage
3. Fuel tank vent blockage
4. Plugged external canister or carburetor fuel filters
5. Inoperative, restricted or incorrectly sized anti-siphon valve
Repair or replace suspect part, then make another vacuum test to verify repair.
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Don S.


Why is there never enough time to do it right the first time,
But always enough time to do it again?


You can verify that your system is doing what it is supposed to using Don S test outline......
If you establish it is working correctly, then the float level would be where to look.......
How does the screen in the tank pickup look?......:)
 

JustJason

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Re: Carb. backfiring

sometimes, depending of the carb there is a screen where the fuel line goes into the carb as well.... that one always gets overlooked!!
 

Wsearay

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Re: Carb. backfiring

All right so far so good i found out that it was a valve in the fuel line at the tank. I took it out it look rusted, i hooked the line back up to the fitting on the tank, cranked it over and i noticed more fuel flowing the inline filter before the fuel/water sep. Everything was fine with a little more tuning,then i took it out running WOT with no problems. Thank you guys for all your insight and help.:):cool::D
 

JustJason

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Re: Carb. backfiring

those darn antisiphons.... the coast guard and their "rules"... :)
 
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