Cheap labor

Plainsman

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From a California school teacher - - -"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels.

Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens , Huntington Park , etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)



To those who want to point out how much illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

CHEAP LABOR?
Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage

Consumers don 't want expensive produce

Government will tell you Americans don 't want the jobs

But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie. there is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent

He qualifies for food stamps

He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care

His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school

He requires bilingual teachers and books

He qualifies for relief from high energy bills

If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. All of this is at taxpayer's expense

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.

The American taxpayer's also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

There are many hardworking Hispanic/American citizens that contribute to our country and many that I consider my true friends. We should encourage and accept those Hispanics who have don e it the right and legal way.
Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up and grow your own damm tomatoes people!
 

Bondo

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Ayuh,......... I Like It..........

But,.......
I Do find it Hard to believe it's written by,.......

A Teacher,... from California..........
 

QC

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Bond-o said:
A Teacher,... from California..........

Hey!! My mom's a Teacher from California . . . She's as big a liberal as you'll ever find, and she rakes in big money for writing title 1, 3, and 5 federal grants for the carp noted above, and she cheats on her taxes, and doesn't connect the dots, but your momma wears army boots!

Now that I think of it, now wonder I am a right wing whacko . . .
 

Plainsman

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"Now that I think of it, now wonder I am a right wing whacko . . ." 8)8)
 

kenmyfam

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Good points made there. Hey they are here in Canada too. We give them even more than that !!! We taxpayers give them welfare as well. In fact people are better off claiming welfare than having one of the lower paid jobs here. If they do not pay the hydro or gas bill they can not be cut off. The rent on their accommodation is paid by us and we even pay them to attend further education and look after their children for free while they do it.
Like you say, i know and have many friends from different backgrounds and cultures that are honest and hardworking and have the same feelings for the "hangers on" in our society.
I think that as we taxpayers are paying for their passage in life, we should be allowed to go into their houses, sut in the lazyboy and watch the TV that we contributed towards using the hydro that we have paid for.
Just my 2 cents !!!!
 

BoatBuoy

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kenmyfam said:
...watch the TV that we contributed towards using the hydro that we have paid for.

You have TV's that run on water!!?? 8)
 

Kiwi Phil

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One of the casuals I employ is from Central America. Very nice bloke, good worker: can't find anything to be critical of him. I enjoy his company too.
But
He has 3 kids, all born here, and 2 are having a little difficulty at school (other is a baby) and after weeks of discussing this among all the workers at smoko, the biggest problem these kids are faced with is due to them speaking nothing but Spanish, except when they go to school!!!!!!
Everybody here tells Walter to speak english at home, so the kids learn.
They asked if he or his family would ever go back to el Salvador, and he says NEVER EVER!!
And guess what, every week, at smoko, one of the women will ask "you speaking english to your kids at home yet Walter?".......he laughs, and says no, not yet.
These kids will be outsde the Aussie main-stream all their life.
When they come around, they'r great little kids, big grims, into everything.....just have difficulty understand what you say.
Cheers
Phillip
 

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When all three of my daughters became 16 my wife and I pushed hard to have them get part time jobs.
It never "legally" happened for any of them because "due to insurance/workman's comp regulations" they had to be 18. So the opportunity to teach my children at an appropriate age this responsibility was off the table. Young adults are cheap labor.

When my daughters grew up and left the house my wife who was a stay at home mom suffered from an empty nest. She went out into the area and looked for jobs that matched her skills, cooking, cleaning and home-making.
She was unable to find work because all these jobs were taken by illegal immigrants already. She didn't have a problem working with them except she wouldn't be able to speak thier language.
Since my wife would be new to the work force again and the type work she was looking for, she to was "cheap" labor.

The arguemnt that illegal immigrants do the jobs that we don't want is rediculous on many levels.
If they weren't here doing the work the jobs would need to be filled. Conditions/wages would rise to the point that would make it attractive to fill by more "legal" workers. And that is a free-market dynamic.
Another piece of propaganda that is fed to us is that the illegal in the fields are paid cheaply. A fact I'm certain of is that $150-200 a day (under the table) is common.

Most illegals aren't in the fields though, most are in the service sector. A great number of them are in construction, getting the same wages/benefits (substantial) as thier legal counter-parts.
 

rolmops

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After reading the complaint by this "California teacher" I wonder who wrote this article.
Whoever it was, described people who file taxes and get benefits.
How many illegal aliens do you know that file their taxes??
All in all, I sense that this is another one of these letters written by some political organization and attributed to some Joe Shmo.
Please be wary of political clubs that try to suck you in with some popular complaint.Their agenda is often a lot more extreme than you may want to support.
 

Plainsman

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"Please be wary of political clubs that try to suck you in with some popular complaint.Their agenda is often a lot more extreme than you may want to support." end quote


Kinda like global warming, and the democrats agenda on just about everything.
Yes sir you nailed on the head there rolmops!
 

kenmyfam

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"Please be wary of political clubs that try to suck you in with some popular complaint.Their agenda is often a lot more extreme than you may want to support." end quote


Kinda like global warming, and the democrats agenda on just about everything.
Yes sir you nailed on the head there rolmops!

Fully agree.
 

i386

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She went out into the area and looked for jobs that matched her skills, cooking, cleaning and home-making.
She was unable to find work because all these jobs were taken by illegal immigrants already.


I am neither offended by or dissagree with that article. Having said that, I don't believe for a second the job market has dried up for illegal aliens. Therefore, the employers must be choosing the illegals over qualified American citizens. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess it's because they'll do the work for less (under the table, etc...).

At some point in our recent history unscrupulous employers have decided to sell out our American workforce (on MANY fronts). This has started a chain reaction. Other employers are now having to make a choice, do the right thing, or stay in business. This is the giant sucking sound often referred to on this forum.

Secure the borders? Yes! Enforce the laws we have in place and stop selling out America? Yes! I think we can do both, but If I could only pick one I'd pick the latter. Cows don't cross the fence when the creek's dried up.
 

agitator

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As a career educator I find everything that Plainsman says to be true in Florida schools too. Only I have a number of rental houses, some of which are on Section 8 government rental subsidy. Add the fraud from that program and its hard to imagine how taxpaying citizens would put up with it. Stick around Plainsman. The libs always welcome some fresh meat as they point out your lack of knowledge and sensitivity of the subject as compared to theirs.
 

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OK, Rolmops, out of the ivory tower and spend a little time out here where the rubber meets the road. I live this mess every day and I can assure you it is factual. Plainsman is speaking for himself and he did a good job of it.
 

RubberFrog

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Nuke the border!
 

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