Chevy 350 pings under load.

subcrx

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Hi I have a 87 omc setup with a rochester 4 barrel and the motor is a 350. Timing is right on. 6 degrees advanced and at 3k fine in nuetral. As soon as I put a load on it it pings. Gas is new. Only thing I can think of is the distributor. Any suggestions?
 

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Re: Chevy 350 pings under load.

Could be that the accelerator pump in the carb is shot and it is leaning out because it isn't pumping enough gas when you bring the throttle up.

If you rebuild a qjet, do not give the engine any gas at the first start up or you will potentially blow out the accelerator pump.

Check for worn distributor cap terminals, proper heat range plugs, good wires and connections etc.
 

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Re: Chevy 350 pings under load.

had the carb rebuilt a while ago, this has been going on only when the timing is set to factory specs, if i retard more it goes away. But I want it to be factory specs
 

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Re: Chevy 350 pings under load.

What octain fuel are you burning? Did you get some bad fuel?
 

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Re: Chevy 350 pings under load.

I just put a tank of gas in it so no on that one. Dont have to retard much, only a few degrees. It has the RV2 cam in it. could that mean it needs different specs?
 

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Re: Chevy 350 pings under load.

If you can get the engine to run by retarding ignition timing a little than thats what you need to do, forget the factory specs because the engine is no longer factory, the RV cam may have been installed straight up or could have been advanced or retarded a few degrees, it all depends on the timing gear set some have 3 diffrent keyways for doing this, I forget exactly what does what but I'm thinking the cam retared 3 degrees gives more low end and advanced gives more top end, we're talking valve timing here, don't get that confused with the ignition timing, your playing with ignition timing. Aftermarket cams should always be dialed in with a cam degree wheel to verify timing events and marking the balancer, sometimes you have to make your own marks.

When I said more low end and more top end it didn't sound right, what I actually meant to say it moves the powerband low in the rpm range or moves the powerband higher in the rpm range.
 

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Re: Chevy 350 pings under load.

good to know. So im not hurting anything by making my own timing settings?
 

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Re: Chevy 350 pings under load.

Your hurting the engine letting it ping, what happens is your ignition happens too soon (advanced) causing the spark to fire while the piston is still on it's way up, it really put the brakes on and stresses the whole reciprocating assy, by retarding ignition just the opposite happens as piston has already hit top and on it's way down spark happens, power loss either way, what you need is the perfect happy medium and I think you may have found it, trial and error it's called power tuning and guys have been doing it for years.
 

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Re: Chevy 350 pings under load.

You really need to check the timing curve as the engine accelerates.If your distributor has centrifugal advance weights and springs the springs could be shot causing the timing to come in to fast.Also they usually have 2 springs and I've seen them with one broken before.If it works though doing like you said that should be alright.I would still take a peek at the springs and advance mechanism though.Total advance is probably supposed to be about 38 degrees by about 2000 rpm.
 

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Re: Chevy 350 pings under load.

You really need to check the timing curve as the engine accelerates.If your distributor has centrifugal advance weights and springs the springs could be shot causing the timing to come in to fast.Also they usually have 2 springs and I've seen them with one broken before.If it works though doing like you said that should be alright.I would still take a peek at the springs and advance mechanism though.Total advance is probably supposed to be about 38 degrees by about 2000 rpm.

That is correct, In his original post he did state the initial advance was holding to 3000RPM's at least thats how I read it. If anything I thought centrgal advance may be stuck and not commming in at all, either way yes the advance curve does need plotting, most of your average Joes don't fully understand ignition valve and cam timing
 
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Re: Chevy 350 pings under load.

This 22 year old motor has to be retarded a degree or 2 and it runs perfectly?
No backfiring and smooth and achieves the proper rpm on the water between 4200- 4600 rpm ?
Then there is no problem. The problem occurs when the mechanic thinks after installing non stock parts, such as cams and such, and expects the specs to remain the same.
My own inexpert opinion is that the pinging will kill your motor, leave it retarded if the motor likes to run a few degrees retarded.
I have never seen it explained in a more eloquent, and factual manner, the way a70eliminator explained it, a true master mechanic.
 

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Re: Chevy 350 pings under load.

This 22 year old motor has to be retarded a degree or 2 and it runs perfectly?
No backfiring and smooth and achieves the proper rpm on the water between 4200- 4600 rpm ?
Then there is no problem. The problem occurs when the mechanic thinks after installing non stock parts, such as cams and such, and expects the specs to remain the same.
My own inexpert opinion is that the pinging will kill your motor, leave it retarded if the motor likes to run a few degrees retarded.
I have never seen it explained in a more eloquent, and factual manner, the way a70eliminator explained it, a true master mechanic.

Ive worked on hondas for 7 years, they dont have distributors like this. Even 22 years ago the advance was all computerized. The chevy motors are a bit different and way more mechanical. Thats why im here. The wieights look fine and I can twist the rotor with medium effort, I dont know the feel on how much the springs should resist me, the springs are a bit rusty, I was told that was normal. I have never run the engine at 4500 rpm. I would have to retard maybe to 10 or 12 to avoid pinging at that. I know non factory parts changes everything. Just trying to get my boat running smooth. Boating season is a month away.
 

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Re: Chevy 350 pings under load.

retarded the timing and took it out yesterday, no more pinging, yay. But the horsepower and torque blows. Still has to be something wrong.
 

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Re: Chevy 350 pings under load.

This thing ever run right? Did it start after the carb rebuild? A little history is needed. Ignition has been verified as in if it has points they are new as well as set properly. Did you install the new cam or was it done for you, and did this start after that. Your gonna have to think back as to when this issue actually started and what was changed....then you may have an idea, otherwise you will have to verify the cam install as well the balancer as it sounds like this is when it all started...comp test?
 
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