Choose, Evinrude Etc 25Hp Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

[richardgreen]

Re: Choose, Evinrude Etc 25Hp Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

Less is more. Keep leaning towards a premix 2 stroke...

RG

 

[ziemann]

Re: Choose, Evinrude Etc 25Hp Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

As a current E-tec owner, I would say that the E-tec is a no-brainer. I am biased.

But, personally I judge most everything now days on dealer quality more than anything... If I want to buy a used outboard and am on the fence, I decide whether I have a great dealer in the area that will provide me support and parts if I need them...

Lets be realistic- pretty much every new outboard out there now is decent (well except maybe the Briggs & Stratton). A 2 stroke or 4 stroke Yamaha is going to meet your needs...

 

[crackedglass]

Re: Choose, Evinrude Etc 25Hp Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

If it were me, I'd favor the Yamaha two stroke, it's a far simpler motor when it comes to repair. Especially if you do your own repairs.
I don't care to own any motor I can't work on 100% on my own without buying expensive test equipment or going back to the dealer.

As far as used motors, it's buyer beware, or be well informed.
As someone who is always buying and building boats, I never sell off a perfect outboard. If I don't need it now, I will sooner or later. Those that I sell off are those that either need more work than I care to put into them, or those that have more wear and tear than normal. It don't mean they don't run fine and do the job, their just not perfect. If I run across a deal on a mint clean never run motor in perfect condition in and out, you can bet money that I'll die with it. If I find it's got uneven compression, any corrosion, or just looks bad, it's out of hear to the high bidder. I don't hide anything, I just don't keep them. Any motor I sell gets sold with the buyer full knowing the compression readings, and hearing it run if it is indeed in running condition.
I agree that most people don't sell anything unless it's got some sort of issue. Even those in need of cash tend to sell things that they know they will soon replace anyhow first. People in a bind tend to sell off items from the bottom up, so if you go to a house to look at a boat or motor and there's a ton of other toys around, or a new boat, bet money on it there's a reason they are dumping it.

 

[jay_merrill]

Re: Choose, Evinrude Etc 25Hp Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

When an Etec motor set for XD-100 use, don't forget the price of the oil, compared to either XD-30 or XD-50, which are used at the "richer" computer setting.

In any case, I recommend buying the stuff in bulk - show up at your dealer with a clean container and buy it by the gallon, out of a 55 gallon drum. Its quite a bit cheaper.



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[boater1234]

Re: Choose, Evinrude Etc 25Hp Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

That xd-100 is nothing different then full synthetic tcw3 oil.It's a waste of money and time.I just went to a premier evinrude dealer and he even said to me it is a joke about the amount of money it is.Go buy pensoil full synthetic oil at walmart for $28 gallon he told me,save your money and does exactly the same thing.It's made for direct injected or premix engines.Just like the merc optimax same thing mercs oil is crazy priced.Pensoil is just as good as any of that stuff and probally half the price.Or even amsoil would be just as good.I'm not saying the xd-100 isn't good oil but for the price it's no different then any other full synthetic 2 stroke oil.

 

[pecheux]

Re: Choose, Evinrude Etc 25Hp Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

That xd-100 is nothing different then full synthetic tcw3 oil.It's a waste of money and time.I just went to a premier evinrude dealer and he even said to me it is a joke about the amount of money it is.Go buy pensoil full synthetic oil at walmart for $28 gallon he told me,save your money and does exactly the same thing.It's made for direct injected or premix engines.Just like the merc optimax same thing mercs oil is crazy priced.Pensoil is just as good as any of that stuff and probally half the price.Or even amsoil would be just as good.I'm not saying the xd-100 isn't good oil but for the price it's no different then any other full synthetic 2 stroke oil.

Sorry but I am not sure your premier evinrude dealer came up with a good advice ?? Especialy if an Etc motor has been ajusted for the xd-100 oil usage.

 

[boater1234]

Re: Choose, Evinrude Etc 25Hp Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

You can belive what you wish oil is oil.It's all tcw3 no matter what motor it goes in.Every water cooled 2 stroke outboard that i know of is tcw3 oil.The motor is programed to use the right amount of oil no matter what oil you use especially on the breakin.It's no special oil like people think.There is 3 different types of oil that evinrude makes the higher the number the more synthetic is put in it and it is no different then pensoil or amsoil,i don't know alot about boats but when it comes to outboards i know what oil they use.xd-100 is the same exact oil as pensoil or amsoil as long as they are 100%synthetic except for color sorry it's red.Pensoil and amsoil is rated for direct injected motors exaxctly the same way as the xd100 is.They are all tcw3 rated.Remember one thing no matter what outboard you buy they will always tell you their oil is the best for their motor.

Tell me what the difference is between a merc optimax and a evinrude etec,100% nothing they are basically the same motors both are direct injected.If you really want to get down to it etec copied off merc as they were the first to come out with the direct injected outboards.Are etecs good 100% yes but no better then a merc optimax.Like i will say it's up to you what oil you buy if you want to spend a fortune on their oil that is up to you,but belive me there is no difference in pensoil,amsoil,or xd100 oil they all have a 100%synthetic oil that can be used for any direct injected outboard.Also if go to a bunch of forums most etec owners don't even use evinrudes oil they usually use amsoil from what i read.There is alot i don't know about boats and motors but when it comes to oil there is very little difference in full synthetics they will all do the job.Like i said the etec motor is programed to run double oil for like the first 5hrs the etec dealer told me,Then after that it all depends on what you do with the motor as if you troll or just go wide open it's programed to inject oil as needed.Also the reason i know about etec copying off merc is the guy who works at the dealer worked for merc for 30yrs and has worked for evinrude for the last ten so he has over 40yrs in this business.He knows his stuff.

 

[seahorse5]

Re: Choose, Evinrude Etc 25Hp Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

E-TEC has a unique system where it can run any type of TC-W3 certified oil or you can ask the dealer to reset the system to use ONLY XD-100 Evinrude oil at a reduced rate. The choice is up to the owner, and the motors come from the factory set for TC-W3.

Amsoil tells you to use it's oil in an E-TEC at the regular TC-W3 setting and NOT to use their oil at the optional XD-100 setting. Amsoil is not the same as XD-100 or Pennzoil Synthetic - all 3 only have a synthetic base oil in common, the rest of the additives and ingredients are different.

Just for the record, Amsoil 2-stroke outboard oil is not TC-W3 certified. That doesn't mean it's bad, but it's something to keep in mind if you follow the factory's warranty requirements.

For some reason, Amsoil did certify their 4-stroke outboard oil (FC-W) and is one of the few synthetic ones approved for all late model 4-strokes.

 

[boater1234]

Re: Choose, Evinrude Etc 25Hp Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

seahorse5 you bring up a good point about the additives.I never thought of that but amsoils 2stroke oil is tcw3 rated just for the record it has been for yrs.The hp injector 50:1 which i have used for yrs and the saber outboard 100:1 both for outboards are tcw3 certified.I only use pennzoil full synthetic or amsoil and every bottle i have owned says tcw3 on it.They had a problem yrs ago that no one would buy it for that exact reason so they just decided to get the certified tcw3 stamp on it.Also amsoil,pennzoil full tcw3 synthetic and xd100 is all synthetics and will lube the same.What i mean is they will all do the same job.Synthetic oil is just that synthetic oil with the brands having maybe a few different additives.All i know is that the outboard brand oil is no better or worse then reg tcw3 sythetic oil that is what i'm trying to get at.

 

[pecheux]

Re: Choose, Evinrude Etc 25Hp Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

boater1234, I agree with everything you wrote about using any synthetic oil with an Etech motor .... as long as the motor's factory setting is ajusted to use the wd-50 oil.

IMO the wd-100 is another animal similar to the Amsoil Saber and is meant to allow leaner gas/oil mixture which would explains the required factory setting ajustement for wd-100 oil usage.

That would probably explain why the wd-100 oil can be used when motor is wd-50 ajusted .... and NOT the other way around as per Envirude claim.

I have used all type of 2 strokes oil for the simple pleasure of finding out the difference and frankly I feel that the cheapest TcW3 oils that I have used were doing a great job when it comes to lubrication. All other advantages I have found with synthetic oil, including the Amsoil Saber, had little to do with lubrification but more to do with other advantages such as reduce smoke, smoother running motors, and less water polution.

But hey if I am wrong I would rather switch than fight ... LOL

Cheers

Oh yea and I would choose an Etc 25Hp over any brand 4-Stroke 25HP anytime. LOL

 

[boater1234]

Re: Choose, Evinrude Etc 25Hp Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

Well i do agree the walmart stuff is just as good as any as far as working and doing it's job.The thing i really like about the pennzoil 100%full synthetic is first it's only $28 a gallon,biodegradable,and leaves no carbon deposits behind like reg tcw3 oil does.Also way less smoke and imo i think it lubricates better.

Just look at yamaha this yr they finally came out with a full synthetic 4 stroke oil,why because it is far better then reg dino oil.Now don't get me wrong there is 100%nothing wrong with dino oil as it works good and does it's job.I just perfer synthetic.I use royal purples lower unit synthetic oil in my lower unit.Also when i buy my new 4stroke suzuki i will use royal purple engine oil in my boat engine.I swear by that stuff and have used it for yrs in my cars,trucks,lawnmowers and boat motors and have never had a problem,also their lower unit oil it is rated for either rear gear oil in a car or truck or for lower units of a boat motor so it's marine safe.

I had a tohatsu 9.8 2stroke for 8yrs and never once had an issue with the lower unit using royal purple or with 2stroke oil from amsoil at the time.I mostly use pennzoil now because the price difference between amsoil and the full synthetic pennzoil is night and day.It will only be a matter of time that all the major brand of motors will only use full synthetics.All that crap you hear that you can't use car oil in a 4stroke boat motor is garbage.If you go to tohatsus site they say as long as it's sae stamped it can be used.The new yamaha 4stroke oil is suppose to high quality stuff as it's a group lV oil that is the best for 4stroke outboards so i read up on in a few forums.Plus it's nmma and fc-w certified,can't beat that.I would use that stuff in any 4stroke outboard.Like i said the other companies won't be far behind.I guess it's just a personal preference what oil you want to use as it will all work just some are different then others.I use the pennzoil and my 2 stroke runs like a 4stroke as it's so quiet,idles 100%better,trolls down canals with very little vibration due to the oil making it run smoother and almost no smoke.To me that is worth $28 gallon.Well good luck pecheux.Can't hurt to try it anyway,let me know if you do.

 

[pecheux]

Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

boater1234, I have been a synthetic oil fan for many years. Unfortunatly the Penzoil synthetic is not available in my area. For years now I have been using Amsoil Injector with my Johnson OB and Amsoil Saber with my Force OB since they are the only 2 strokes synthetic that I can get my hands on. Also use Amsoil lower unit synthetic. Ran my motorcycle with Agip synthetic, and my vehicule with either Castrol or Penzoil synthetic. We both think alike when it comes to synthetic oil superiority ... LOL LOL but I still would not use Penzoil or any other brand synthetic oil with an Etec which would be set to use the wd-100 oil. cheers.

 

[ChrisAG]

Re: Choose, Evinrude Etc 25Hp Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

I have switched to XD-100 in my FICHT even though it calls for only XD-50, because it SEEMS to run a little better on the 100% synthetic and there is less oil smell. Plus I run the engine fairly hard pulling tubers and skiiers, and do some high speed WOT runs, and high engine speeds is where engine lubrication is most important.

It costs an arm and a leg but the engine is fairly good on oil (not as stingy as an E-tec) but good nonetheless.

 

[boater1234]

Re: Choose, Evinrude Etc 25Hp Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

Pecheux sounds good at least we agree on synthetics.People will argue up and down that synthetics is no better then reg oil without even trying it that is what amazes me.How can anyone knock a product that they have never used.Well i guess to each their own.All i know is i have used pennzoil in everything i have ever owned and it works well for me.What i wish i could find is royal purple 2stroke oil as they don't sell it anywere here in fl for outboards,at least that i have found.I use royal purple in all my vechiles and love it to death.A little pricey but well worth it.

I have a 95 ford explorer that i use it in and she runs like a sewing machine with that oil.I have tried the cheaper oil and it works but the royal purple does make it run smoother by far.No better gas milage or power like alot of people claim.When i get my new 4stroke outboard i will run only royal purple 4stroke oil in it and nothing else.Cheers to ya to.

 

[tech4boats]

Re: Choose, Evinrude Etc 25Hp Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

You can belive what you wish oil is oil.It's all tcw3 no matter what motor it goes in.Every water cooled 2 stroke outboard that i know of is tcw3 oil.The motor is programed to use the right amount of oil no matter what oil you use especially on the breakin.It's no special oil like people think.There is 3 different types of oil that evinrude makes the higher the number the more synthetic is put in it and it is no different then pensoil or amsoil,i don't know alot about boats but when it comes to outboards i know what oil they use.xd-100 is the same exact oil as pensoil or amsoil as long as they are 100%synthetic except for color sorry it's red.Pensoil and amsoil is rated for direct injected motors exaxctly the same way as the xd100 is.They are all tcw3 rated.Remember one thing no matter what outboard you buy they will always tell you their oil is the best for their motor.

Tell me what the difference is between a merc optimax and a evinrude etec,100% nothing they are basically the same motors both are direct injected.If you really want to get down to it etec copied off merc as they were the first to come out with the direct injected outboards.Are etecs good 100% yes but no better then a merc optimax.Like i will say it's up to you what oil you buy if you want to spend a fortune on their oil that is up to you,but belive me there is no difference in pensoil,amsoil,or xd100 oil they all have a 100%synthetic oil that can be used for any direct injected outboard.Also if go to a bunch of forums most etec owners don't even use evinrudes oil they usually use amsoil from what i read.There is alot i don't know about boats and motors but when it comes to oil there is very little difference in full synthetics they will all do the job.Like i said the etec motor is programed to run double oil for like the first 5hrs the etec dealer told me,Then after that it all depends on what you do with the motor as if you troll or just go wide open it's programed to inject oil as needed.Also the reason i know about etec copying off merc is the guy who works at the dealer worked for merc for 30yrs and has worked for evinrude for the last ten so he has over 40yrs in this business.He knows his stuff.

WOW! Kinda having a hard time digesting this. All TCW3 oil is NOT the same. TCW3 is just a rating and there is a minimum spec to that rating. The TCW3 just states that an oil meets or exceeds the bottom number. The old TCW2 had a much lower index and that's why there was JUNK out there for oil. The mfgrs. pushed for a stricter spec. because of damage to new motors that was caused by the bottom end stuff. The XD100 (or something that is a full syth-which isn't the same thing as just a TCW3) MUST be used in the E-Tecs that are set for XD-100. These things already run boarderline on lubrication and the XD-100 setting runs them leaner. You're just asking for someone to stick a motor with your advise. Evinrude even suggests that if an E-Tec is being used hard, use the XD-100 at the XD-50 setting. Your buddy the mechanic may have been in the biz for 40 years but, like some guys I know, it doesn't mean they have kept up on things or haven't formed their own opinions based not on fact but what makes them sound good. Oh, and the E-Tecs are WAY different than the Mercs or anything else out there. I've seen the insides of both and the operating systems on both. No comparison. (It's like when Yamaha first came out with the 2 stroke outboards and everyone "knowledgeable" said they were just OMCs....)

 

[jbjennings]

Re: Choose, Evinrude Etc 25Hp Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

I'd like to have an etec, myself.

 

[jbjennings]

Re: Choose, Evinrude Etc 25Hp Or Yamaha 4-Stroke 25HP

Pecheux sounds good at least we agree on synthetics.People will argue up and down that synthetics is no better then reg oil without even trying it that is what amazes me.How can anyone knock a product that they have never used.Well i guess to each their own.All i know is i have used pennzoil in everything i have ever owned and it works well for me.What i wish i could find is royal purple 2stroke oil as they don't sell it anywere here in fl for outboards,at least that i have found.I use royal purple in all my vechiles and love it to death.A little pricey but well worth it.

I have a 95 ford explorer that i use it in and she runs like a sewing machine with that oil.I have tried the cheaper oil and it works but the royal purple does make it run smoother by far.No better gas milage or power like alot of people claim.When i get my new 4stroke outboard i will run only royal purple 4stroke oil in it and nothing else.Cheers to ya to.

I would think if it runs "smoother" that the reduced friction would result in at least a LITTLE better gas mileage...:suspicion: