Chris Craft Bowrider or Crownline Bowrider - the choice is unclear...HELP!

jkust

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Ok, I love to give my opinion. No way any boat sole should be anything other than perfectly flat. Something is wrong if it isn't. I'd want to get down to what is going on there but If I couldn't, I'd move along to the one of the other hundreds of them available. One of the big downsides of the early 2000's small Crownlines is that they lagged behind on when they added snap in carpet. For that reason alone, I wouldn't take one for free if you told me I can't immediately sell it.
As for weight, here is my take on these bowriders having boated for 43 years and living at my lake home each summer where the majority of boats are garage sized. The dry weight speaks volumes about the construction of the boat. Your subject Crownline at 18 feet is nearly a thousand lbs lighter than my previous 18 foot Chaparral with a v6. If you lined up just specs on a sheet of paper, I could pick out the higher level brands just on weight and gas tank size alone if we are talking garage sized bowriders. The extra 1000lbs plus the fuel in the larger gas tank gave that 18 foot Chaparral a nice ride. Those early 2000's were big change years for many bowrider manufactures where some retained their 90's construction methods and others took a generational leap forward with much more limited wood usage, standard glass floor, plastics instead of wood in various other areas and flow through types of materials that are impervious to rot in cushions as a start. Also 2002 was the year that small block v8's and v6's came out with MPI Engines of which as odd as it sounds, I see more small 2002 and up Crownlines with the MPI engines than other small boats of other brands for the first few years. In other words your 2000 Crownline is a couple years shy of having the possibility of the newer technology engine with more HP.
 

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Tough to beat a fiberglass floor with snap-in carpets. I had that on an older 24' Crestliner cuddy. Easy to clean. No deck rotting.... Also prefer a VP over a Merc. Unless they've changed during those years, the VP had smoother engagement due the cone clutches on the VP. Interesting even tho the CC is shorter, it's heavier. Built better? I like weight in heavier seas, but no doubt length plays a role too.

I wouldn't assume that you're going to have any major problems with either one. They aren't that old.... Heck, mine was a '79 and eventually I changed head gaskets because one was leaking. That was the only major issue I had while owning it for 9/10yrs....

Just make sure you get the one you want checked out good from bow to stern and lake test it before buying....
 

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My advice is always "be ready NOT to buy". Not sure why just these two are on your radar, it is entirely possible the boat you end up with is still lurking out there.
 

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Yup. It's real easy to get caught up in the moment, I'm guilty. There's a ton of boats for sale, find the right one. Go look at a bunch.... May find a great deal on a great boat......
 

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Hoping this may be relevant for you Rookster ...

Neighbor got boat fever 3-4 weeks ago, and went out looking. Stopped to look at one, and a car stopped and driver asked if that was theirs, they said no, looking at it to buy. Driver said he had one, real nice, but higher than neighbor wanted to go in price. Driver insisted, they went with him to look and he had a super nice 24 foot deck boat. He wanted $15k, they had a cap at $10k. He went down to $12.5 right then but they really had a cap at $10k. They exchanged phone numbers just in case. Turns out the guy with the deck boat was moving for a job in 2-3 weeks on short notice, and as he thought more about it realized that, to him right now, that $10k beats the mess he would be in later. So he called back and said he will accept their offer. They had not bought yet, so said ok, let's meet at the lake and now that boat is theirs. Really really nice, worth the $15-17k book price. If neighbor had not been out and about actively looking they would not have found the one they ended up with, AND at a super deal. And they met some nice people too.

My recent boat search was similar, out and about and found it before it was even advertised. I had to go to 3/4 of book price, but still very good for me.

Just sayin'... ;)
 

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Good story.

My bro bought an almost new looking boat, 8 yrs old, from a woman who was just divorced. Guess she got the boat in the settlement. Bro bought it for a song. Couple very small scratches on the hull and that was about it.....
 

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Good story.

My bro bought an almost new looking boat, 8 yrs old, from a woman who was just divorced. Guess she got the boat in the settlement. Bro bought it for a song. Couple very small scratches on the hull and that was about it.....

Divorce sales can be a total find. There was a nice bowrider on CL the other week being advertised as a divorce sale. It was a nice boat priced at about half price but it sold immediately. You'd take the price as a spam ad but it wasn't. Emotion doesn't belong in a boating transaction on the selling or buying side.
 

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Yeah, the wife just wants to stick it to the ex. And what better way to sell his pride and joy for 1/2 of what it's worth.....
 

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Not sure where you are in the buying process or if you have made up your mind, but I've got a '99 Chris Craft which I bought for $4,500 in 2012. I love it and haven't looked back. I would highly recommend the CC for the fiberglass deck. Considering its a 1997, it should be a SX drive and not a OMC Cobra, but a closer look would verify. I've had both VP and Mercruiser, and IMO, the Volvo Penta drives are easier to service.

There are numerous threads about inspection points and what to look for- consider hiring a marine surveyor and if looks good - pull the trigger!
 

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Yup. It's real easy to get caught up in the moment, I'm guilty. There's a ton of boats for sale, find the right one. Go look at a bunch.... May find a great deal on a great boat......

Have looked at numerous boats already - summer's coming...
 
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Check out this thread of an identical Chris Craft:

http://forums.iboats.com/forum/boat-...ft-concept-170

The one I saw has a transom which appears to be about half as bad which is bad enough! I also saw beneath the deck - just because a boat is a fiberglass deck, didn't mean it's wood free...seems to be a big misconception. So no CC.
 
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Divorce sales can be a total find. There was a nice bowrider on CL the other week being advertised as a divorce sale. It was a nice boat priced at about half price but it sold immediately. You'd take the price as a spam ad but it wasn't. Emotion doesn't belong in a boating transaction on the selling or buying side.

I once bought a camping trailer off the driveway of a couple who were getting divorced. They also had to get it off their driveway by the end of the week - city bi-law. I turned around five years later and sold the trailer for what I paid for it. Those deals are far and few between...gotta be very lucky or extremely patient.
 

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Divorce sales can be a total find. There was a nice bowrider on CL the other week being advertised as a divorce sale. It was a nice boat priced at about half price but it sold immediately. You'd take the price as a spam ad but it wasn't. Emotion doesn't belong in a boating transaction on the selling or buying side.

...and yet, boating is all about emotional joy and fun - nothing practical about it - lol
 

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Regarding my opinion on the buckled floor, it was about the condition as described and not any particular boat. In my opinion, Yes, an uneven floor is at the least a yellow flag with a red tinge.

What size/model engines do these two choices have.

The floor of the CL is both rock solid and still really light in colour from the underside when looking up at it from inside the ski locker...so I've been perplexed regarding why there are two equal sized sections in identical locations that are marginally (1/8-1/4") raised.

I was told something interesting today by a CC Service person...NOT the CL service person. I asked what the possibility was of the floatation foam taking on water, expanding and pushing up on the floor. I was told extremely slim in all boats from the late 90's and even more into the 2000's. Why? Because floatation foam is now "closed cell" and hard, being far less capable of taking on water like a sponge. BUT, in the world of hand-built boats, that foam can be applied too heavily during the manufacturing process just before the plywood floor goes on. As the foam dries and expands, it can push up slightly on the floor above. Also, I called CL head office and they explained that their manufacturing process has essentially been the same since that boat design was born almost 20 years ago. This means that the current fiberglass encased stringers were done back then too...and - I saw them. So, that's why I'm inclined to think that this case is not a result of rot.
 

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Closed-cell foam that has been wetted and gone thru several freeze-thaw cycles will start to take on water. I would not take much comfort inwhat you were told.
 

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You do not have to convince me, just yourself. Seems like you pretty much had your mind made up on the Crownline when you first posted.
 

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Closed-cell foam that has been wetted and gone thru several freeze-thaw cycles will start to take on water. I would not take much comfort inwhat you were told.

Sure, but it's a lot less vulnerable than open cell, all things being equal. Sometimes it's not just the type of materials that are used, but how the materials are constructed.
 

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You do not have to convince me, just yourself. Seems like you pretty much had your mind made up on the Crownline when you first posted.

Lol, no not at all...in fact, I hadn't even seen the CC yet. And truthfully I'm not 100% convinced yet - close, but not 100%. However, sometimes playing devils advocate lets us see posibilities that we may not have otherwise considered.
 

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Ok, was a little worried because you had started debating yourself. Uphill. Both ways. :lol:
 
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