Collecting older outboard suggestions?

[Theoutdoorsman]

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Ok...... Looks like I've got a:

Model # RJE-19
Serial # 1510935

The outboard has already been retrofitted with the more modern fuel pump too. Sweet!!! Have not yet tested compression but I does appear to have good compression via plugging the spark plug holes with my thumb and spinning the flywheel. I'll get some actual numbers in the next day or two. What would you gentlemen consider a healthy or acceptable reading? I'm thinking the usual 100 psi and within 10%, but I've not worked on anything this small and this old before. What would you consider too low and leaning towards a re-ring and what not? I've also got good spark!!! I honestly believe this thing is going to run. Hopefully all that will be needed is a good carb cleaning at best. Maybe not even that. I have already started the "awakening a sleeping outboard" checklist because I'm not 100% sure of the previous owners' upkeep. I have an idea it's been babyed, but you never know. At any rate, I figured it can't hurt. My plan is to replace the water pump, rebuild the carb (if need be), and give her a go. If I can get her running, the next thing on my list is a thourough decarb. Then I'm going to put her back to bed and begin the journey. I sure hope all goes well. Thanks again for any help on those compression questions!!!.............. ALAN

 

[samo_ott]

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Keep in contact with that guy. If he has others in the shed and he's selling em off and he sells em cheap, he's a good guy to know!

 

[wbeaton]

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100 psi is minimum. 120 psi is good. My 1956 Javelin seems to have 140 psi and 110 psi as I recall. If I ever get around to restoring it I'll do a complete rebuild.

Nice score, by the way. You can do a lot to spruce up the bright work without having it rechromed.

 

[freddyray21]

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glad to see you found one and at a good deal too. Mine has 125 in both cylinders dry. I had it out running tonight on the river. Those are sweet motors for sure.

 

[Theoutdoorsman]

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You can do a lot to spruce up the bright work without having it rechromed.

I'm affraid the chrome is too far gone. Trust me, it will need re-chromed or replaced. If anyone has the numbers "35" for the hood, let me know!!!

 

[Theoutdoorsman]

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I'm still looking for that service manual....... Am I right in that the only one available, here at iBoats, is going to run me $100? While waiting for the service manual, can anyone give me a part number for the carb kit and water pump kit so I can go ahead and get them? I'd really like to get these changed before any attempt to start it up. Is there anything I need to be aware of before dropping the LU? Sorry for all the ?'s.......... Thanks!!!!......... ALAN

 

[wbeaton]

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Impeller BRP 775521 or Sierra 18-3006
Carb Kit BRP 439075 or Sierra 18-7024

Same procedure as the smaller ones.

 

[Theoutdoorsman]

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Thanks a bunch Wayne. Much appreciated.

* What about the service manual? Am I right in that the only one available, here at iBoats, is going to run me $100?

* What about lower unit lube? Anything I should know? Will the normal lower unit lubes available at Wally World suffice, or am I supposed to use something different?

Thanks again!!!................ ALAN

 

[wbeaton]

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Wallylude is fine. As for the manual, I can't help. Mine are originals I got on eBay, traded for in pdf format or Seloc/Cylmer I purhcased new. I have nothing in pdf for that year/model.

 

[Theoutdoorsman]

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Yeah, I saw those in pdf file format too. What's your take on those? I plan to purchase an OEM Manual regardless of the price though. I like to have a paper reference and I hear they are much better.......... Opinions?

 

[Theoutdoorsman]

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By the way, this may sound like a dumb question........ but ......... The starter and electric choke IS supposed to opperate on 12v's ........ correct?

 

[wbeaton]

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I have a copy of the OEM service manual in pdf format. Probably the same one you see on CD offered on eBay. Its a must have if you plan on working on these old motors. A hard copy is better than a soft copy. I printed the manual so now I have both.

Yes your motor is 12V and both the starter and choke solenoid are 12V.

 

[Theoutdoorsman]

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Thanks once again Wbeaton. Much appreciated........... ALAN

 

[degull]

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Hi everyone. I'm going to be looking at a 1958 Evinrude 18hp Electric start. I haven't actually seen it, but it is in running condition. Just wondering what kind of price I should be offering. I know it's hard to value a motor without actually seeing it but if you can give me ballpark, I would appreciate it.

By the way sorry for hijacking your thread

 

[wbeaton]

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Up to $300 depending on condition.

 

[Theoutdoorsman]

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Well, I did the compression test today..... :-( ........ Looks like some internal problems possibly exist. Top cylinder is only about 40psi and the bottom is 80psi. Wish I could fabricate some way to use the electric starter on this thing. I think I pulled my shoulder out of socket....... LOL ...... I don't have the control box and cable. Only the outboard with the plug in the side. It would sure be nice to have some sort of temporary push button for testing. Any ideas out there? I'm going to try a decarb to see if I can free things up inside. I realize I'm probably reaching for straws, but maybe, just maybe............ I still fear the worst though. If the decarb doesn't help, I'll pull the head and bypass cover to investigate further. One last note, the fuel pump was added to the top bypass cover. I don't believe this makes a darn bit of difference but thought I'd throw that out there. But first, I'd like to simplify the cranking of the powerhead. I'm open for any and all suggestions................. ALAN

 

[wildmaninal]

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Could you have a blown head gasket? Just thinking of the KISS method, Keep it simple stupid if you ever heard of it. Not calling you stupid by the way.

Be interesting to see how those cylinder walls look and rings for that matter.

 

[samo_ott]

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Hmmm, that's a bummer. Maybe you'll be lucky and it's the head gasket. Did you say you had the compression relief on the system? And you're manually pulling it to test as if so that might be affecting it.

And to use the electric starter is easy. Get some jumper cables and a battery. Hook the positive from the battery to the big bolt on the starter. Then hook the negative wire to the battery and the last connection should be the negative wire to the engine frame somewhere. Make sure the engine is attached to something as it will jump when you make the last connection. And it'll spark, so no fuel in the area. Then it should spin good if you have a good battery and starter. Then try the compression again.

 

[Theoutdoorsman]

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Did you say you had the compression relief on the system? And you're manually pulling it to test as if so that might be affecting it.

If your referring to the springs projecting from the head........ Yes and yes Samo_ Ott. I'm assuming the bypass cover and head gaskets will be cheap to replace. Problem is, I don't yet have a service manual for the outboard. If someone can help with the part numbers for those gaskets, that be terrific. Some torque spec's on that head would be handy as well. I'm really not too terribly disappointed. After all, it IS a restoration project. The fact that it does have some compression tells me the damage, if any, is likely minor and that it is still repairable. I'll know more if/when I have to crack her open. I wondered about the pressure relief system and how that might be affecting my readings. Maybe when I jump the starter, the numbers will climb a bit. A decarb might work wonders as well. Some more testing is deffinitely in order here. Can you elaborate on that pressure relief system a little? I'm currious. I'm assuming that is in place should the need to pull start the outboard be needed. I can certainly see why it was put in place. Ouch!!!!.......... LOL .......... Hey, thanks for the tips and suggestions!!!!! Just for the record, I removed both plugs, opened the throttle to wide open, inserted the pressure tester into one empty hole at a time, and pulled the chord 6-8 painful times when testing. I'm assuming this was the correct method to test? If not, let me know. I have lubed each cylinder with two cycle oil for a few days now just to be certain she's got some lubrication in there. I'm ignorant right now, as I'm kind of working blind with no manuals on hand. Oh, and Wildmaninal, no offense taken. I'm all too familiar with the K.I.S.S method. Matter of fact, I try to live by it....... LOL

 

[Theoutdoorsman]

Re: Collecting older outboard suggestions?

Impeller BRP 775521 or Sierra 18-3006
Carb Kit BRP 439075 or Sierra 18-7024

Same procedure as the smaller ones.

Do you have a part number for the carb float or know where I can find one? The cork float that is currently installed is flaking appart and I fear it will only stop up the carb again. Much appreciated............... ALAN