Coming soon to your aftermarket: SIX stroke engines!

[ob]

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Pretty cool stuff.Actually ,the 6 stroke does have a cooling system.Just not a closed one that recirculates,but rather one that acts as an evaporative cooler of sorts.<br /><br />I'm wondering what the ratio of gallon of fuel to gallon of water consumption would be?Also if he has entertained the concept of condensing the expelled water vapor for recirc purposes.Guess the condenser would have to be an air cooled type.

 

[--GQ--]

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Best idea yet from a technological stand point, but are we missing something? If water turns into steam exhaust thru the tail pipe, how many gazillion galons of water needed for a daily drive? I may add water is heavy.

 

[Link]

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Wow neat read. Thats something else. The crower site alone should keep me busy enough for a few hours

 

[one more cast]

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I can hear the new six stroke Harleys already.. PA-PUT-CHA, PA-PUT-CHA

 

[tomatolord]

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GQ dont forget you are giving up<br /><br />radiator weight<br />coolant weight<br />Reduced engine size since the water jacket is removed<br />Radiator fan components<br /><br />You are giving up quite a bit in weight from the removal of components - so the added weight of water is pretty much offset.<br /><br />Plus if you do boat engines 1st then you have no water problems.<br /><br />tomatolord

 

[--GQ--]

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Originally posted by tomatolord:<br />[QB] GQ dont forget you are giving up<br /><br />radiator weight<br />coolant weight<br />Reduced engine size since the water jacket is removed<br />Radiator fan components<br /><br />You are giving up quite a bit in weight from the removal of components - so the added weight of water is pretty much offset.<br /><br />I concur, so maybe weight is not an issue. But seriously, how much water is needed for an average daily drive? I would imagine 50-60 galons.

 

[Bondo]

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Originally posted by One More Cast:<br /> I can hear the new six stroke Harleys already.. PA-PUT-CHA, PA-PUT-CHA

<br /><br />Ayuh,.........<br />This sounds like it'll be a Great New Break-thru,............<br /><br />Trouble Is,.................<br /><br />I Won't Live Long Enough,.........<br />For them to become plentyful enough for them to filter down to My level of Old Iron.............<br /><br />'ell,.......... About the Newest things I get to Play With Now,............. are Atleast 20 Years Old...............

 

[OBJ]

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One problem I can see is the type water used. Expanding water into steam leaves all the impurities behind and you get scaling and deposits. You would need a good supply of deionized water to keep the build up at a minimum.<br /><br />Lots of power in expanding steam....interesting concept.

 

[JB]

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Interesting point, OBJ.<br /><br />May have to use distilled water. I wonder how long it will take that to reach $4.00/gallon.

 

[OBJ]

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When I worked at the power house, we would take raw river water and process it into de-ionized water good enough to run through the boiler. Figured out to about $1.38/gallon. But put it on the market and figure in bottleling, packageing and shipping....well....wouldn't take long to reach that $4/gal mark.....not long at all.

 

[whywhyzed]

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Originally posted by TexomaAv8r:<br /> But how would the heater work?

I've worked on bobcat's with oil/air cooled engines- they simply run engine oil through the heater core...

 

[WillyBWright]

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How much extra water vapor would be entering the atmosphere if millions of cars started pumping more steam into it? If fossil fuels are responsible for global warming, could the added water vaopr shift rain cycles. Hot & Humid? You ain't seen nuthin yet! Force 6 hurricanes? Floods? Rain on the polar ice caps? <br /><br />Very little water makes very much steam. Consumption per outing would probably be way less than you'd think. Valving past the exhaust valve could selectively send steam and spent fuel out different routes, so Catalytics would be possible. Or just burn Ethanol. Then there's no need.<br /><br />I'm waitng for fuel cell technology to take hold. You could even power a home with one. No need for power plants except to split water molecules to provide fuel. Fewer telephone poles, no power lines. Natural gas lines could carry hydrogen instead.

 

[Chief101]

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Originally posted by OBJ:<br /> One problem I can see is the type water used. Expanding water into steam leaves all the impurities behind and you get scaling and deposits. You would need a good supply of deionized water to keep the build up at a minimum.<br /><br />Lots of power in expanding steam....interesting concept.

Water filtration and deionizing can be done on the vehicle. You'd never have a need for decarb juice.

 

[PuddleJumper]

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WillyB makes a good point. If signif # vehicles were adding water vapor to air humidity could become a problem. 25 years ago people in Palm Springs used swamp coolers. Now air cond required as all the golf courses and swimming pools have made the area MUCH more humid

 

[rwise]

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Ok, can we test this theory in my area, and maybe Texas also? Send us about 6,000,000 of them for the test please. Hell we'll just make our own rain

 

[JB]

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What rwise said.

 

[Chief101]

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What rwise said.

 

[QC]

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JB,<br /><br />I finally got a response from the senior guy I mentioned. His name is Dr. N. John Beck and to remind, used to be the President of SAE and VP of Engine Development at Cummins. This guy is known for his optimistic approach to engine designs and the associated commercial opportunities. So much so that we once gave him a plaque with a pair of glasses mounted on it that had three sets of rose colored lenses. This is the way he sees thing, not through rose colored glasses, but through three multiples of rose colored glasses . . . <br /><br />Also, he is a big fan of water injection in small doses and his life's work has led to our current product which uses two fuels simultaneously, so he is not opposed to multiple sources of energy on-board by any means, in fact he is a proponent of similar approaches.<br /><br />His response is below.<br /><br />

Thanks for the interesting information on Bruce Crower's combination diesel and steam engine. I know Bruce, he is a very clever guy. However, he is very optimistic. Using an entire cycle to capture a small part of the heat release of the fuel uses up a lot of the engine for a small (5 to 10% not 40%) part of the power. I am afraid that the friction power for the steam cycle may be about the same as the steam power with a result that the net power may be very disappointing to say nothing about the hazard of putting water in the engine and carrying the water on board. Freon bottoming cycles using coolant and exhaust energy have been demonstrated and get at most a 15% increase in power and then only at maximum power conditions.<br /> <br />All the best, <br /> <br />John

 

[kenimpzoom]

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In theory you could condense the steam after it leaves the engine back into water.<br /><br />It would add a great deal of complexity and is opposite of the KISS principle.<br /><br />QC's post above makes a lot of sense, seems like someone would have been doing this already of it would work.<br /><br />Ken

 

[glasply1]

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Cyclonepower has a video on the internet of the same or similar motor. Works on a variety of fuels and water injection. Maybe the future is here. So long OPEC (I hope).