communist?? China.

[rodbolt]

to all those that actually think its going to remain communist in the sense of the 50's era best sit up and take notice.<br /> mostly our politicians best take note.<br /> the 3 gorges dam project is almost complete and way ahead of schedule and now this from a good group of american companies with americas best intrsts in mind,<br /> http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-01/27/content_4109007.htm <br /> I hope chinese is not to hard to learn.<br /> that coupled with the fact that while our current admin postulates and pounds its chest China is negotiating with Iran and venezuela to ship oil to china instead of the west.<br /> seems even if you dont like a govt it would be better to keep trying than to sit back and wail like a howler monkey.<br /> now its looking more and more that Russia will benifit from Iranian oil and cash as well.

 

[stan_deezy]

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good post rodbolt.<br /><br />As an aside we had a documentary here last week about the first emperor of China which was fascinating. Two hours long and we felt like we could have watched for hours longer. I never realised that it (China) started out as six or seven different provinces. The first emperor was the king of Chin province. He gradually swallowed up the other provinces by military might. At the start of his epic campaign he fought a battle in which his army captured 10,000 prisoners which all had to be fed and watered according to tradition at the time. He dragged one prisoner out to the front of his army and said that he would show his men how to look after the prisoners and promptly beheaded him His army killed the 10,000 prisoners that day and surged ahead of his enemies. <br />His final major battle was against a vast army of more than half a million troops. The enemy watched him set up camp and settle down then they decided to move to a better defensive area. Only problem was that the Chin army camp wasn't set up at all: it was a ruse and as the enemy forces broke rank and started to move out of their battle lines the King ordered the attack: it was a massacre as you can imagine.<br /><br />Why have I recited all of this?<br /><br />Because the one thing that struck me that is so reminiscent of then and now is that the first emperor said that the only way China would be victorious in all it's battles was to exploit their enemies weaknesses and use that against them.<br /><br />I suspect that in the West our weakness is oil and I only hope that our leaders are thinking the same and planning for our future

 

[PW2]

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It hasn't been communist (in the traditional sense) in a long time. Hong Kong is still Hong Kong even tho the British gave it up years ago.<br /><br />Wherever they get their oil, they are going to get oil, be it from Iran or elsewhere. We aren't going to stop it, nor should we want to stop it. What is your specific problem with China purchasing oil from Iran?<br /><br />There are of course many issues with China that need to be addressed, and it is not going to be fixed overnight. I hope we have people in place that want to work with China on a long term basis, and political posturing and chest thumping is relegated to a minor role.

 

[rodbolt]

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stan<br /> yep that area of the world has been "settled" a lot longer than this area and most of it by force.<br /> yes sometimes the tactics were brutal but china is not alone in brutality through the ages.<br /> I agree that the situation seems to be running along unchecked. wasnt so bad until them tricky commies started this capialistic comunisim, or socialism whichever you prefer.<br /> as far as battles thats why Rumsfeld should be fired for his failed battle plans.<br /> carter or reagan would have bagged him in 03.<br />his total disregard for all the trained military stratigists,planners and intelligence personell was replaced by his ineptitude and wishful thinking. thoughts like its a cake walk and we will pay for the war with Iraqi oil(do ya see anything incongrous about that last one) and statements like we will be seen as liberators when all the evidence from the past showed it would be otherwise.<br /> history then repeated itself. not enough men nor the correct materiels were on hand.<br /><br /><br /> PW <br />I have no objection as to where the oil goes, however we have toppled many govts and run amock to many times when dipstick backwater countries have declared an intent to nationalize a resource and seel it east rather than west.<br /> will we try it yet again or develop an actual energy plan that is not just wishful thinking and rethoric?<br />the world is much smaller now than at the end of 1945, we cannot toss our military around like we could then.<br /> but I agree they will consume more and more oil as the chemical as well as durable goods manufacturing gets larger. the shipping the 3 gorges dam is going to open up is economically worrisome. its gonna open a lot of area to industry with a steady supply of electricity.<br /> while I hate to see a 3 nosed tree frog or a beerbellied snail go extinct its time the US started some hydro and nuclear facilities here.

 

[PW2]

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Yes, we need to keep up with China, and not attempt to keep them down. It is not in our interests, and we would not be able to do it anyway.<br /><br />I agree with you re: Nuclear. We have not designed and built a new nuclear plant in many years, and while no expert on this subject, I can't believe technology has not advanced sufficiently to make them safe and environmentally acceptable.

 

[12Footer]

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I like the anti-matter power generator research going on at the FERMILAB research facility. I think it is underfunded too.<br />But they are quietly making antimatter, while looking for ways to make it faster and contain it beter in a smaller area.<br />Don't know squat about it, other than what I gleened from the discovery channel.<br />But it holds great promise for massive amounts of renewable energy that dwarfs the yield from nuke fission or fusion.

 

[KaGee]

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I wonder if the jailed dissidents feel things are different.<br /><br />And if so, why did Google have to censor certain materials?<br /><br />The only changes China has made are superfluous. The Hong Kong thing? Nobody ever accused communists of being stupid. They need the money too. Why kill the golden goose??

 

[bootle]

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By the time of the olympic games in China, i think that the western world will be totally dumbfounded and awe-struck at the rate of development that has occured in China during the last twenty years, such achievements have taken most fully developed countries including America almost one hundred years to acquire.

 

[rodbolt]

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with the rapid advance in technology I think communism as it was in the previous years is long gone. while I dont think China will be as progressive as some nor will russia the genie is out of the bottle. the people have had a taste of a lifestyle better than their predecessors and the govt is trying to stay on top of it while not losing control.<br />but you have to admit china has come a long way since the 70's. they have a long way to go yet.<br /> the only common ground our govts share is distrust.<br /> but the average chinese is not much different than the average american.<br />we just wish to work in a decent job and raise the kids and turn on the AC and the TV at the end of the day, its the politics that get in the way.<br /> I still worry about the looming conflict over tiawan. its comeing.<br />and china is positioning itself to do economically what they cannot do militarily.<br /> I think as the world,not just the US, becomes more intertwined with the chinese economics they chinese military will become more emboldened in the quest to reaquire tiawan.

 

[stan_deezy]

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Again rodbolt I think you've nailed the situation and I reckon within ten years we will look at your post about Taiwan and say that you were "on the money".<br />The Chinese have invested heavily in Soviet Kilo Class submarines which we in the West have (allegedly) quite a hard time keeping track of. <br />Again the Chinese will exploit our weaknesses and most of those weaknesses will be economic rather than military technology.

 

[Elmer Fudge]

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Taiwan has already been given up to China when the USA (Nixon) agreed to the one China policy, it is just not politically expedient at present for us to do so, in good time it will return to mainland China's control.<br />Lets not deny the fact that Taiwan was and is Chinese territory long before Mao's communist revolution took over.