Compression test complete; Understanding results?

Dante04SRT

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OK, I did another compression test tonight, both a dry and a wet test.

Here is what I got, and before anyone asks, the gauge is new and tested fine on my car.

--DRY-- (cylinder order is front of boat to back)
#1: 39-40lbs
#2: 30lbs
#3: 69-70lbs
#4: 165-170

--WET-- (with thick motor oil)
#1: 55lbs
#2: 45lbs
#3: 95lbs
#4: Started to rain, figured it was fine because of initial readings.

What am I to understand about these readings? I can see by adding the oil to the cylinder, pressures were increased, but not by any substantial amount. Its a 20 year old motor, a little ring gap issue is expected, right?

I definitely have a problem, as evidence by the results, also, when doing the tests dry, the motor spit water out of either #2 or #3, couldn't tell. I live in TN where the weather rarely reaches freezing, and even if it does, its not there but a day or so, so I'm HOPING that cracked block/head issues aren't there. The boat actually ran very good, as shown in the attached video link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3EqwR-Bods

By reading the results, is there any reason to still suspect a head gasket issue? Can any other inferences be made? If everyone generally agrees, I will tear the head off tomorrow evening.

Thanks in advance, ppl.

[EDIT] If you haven't been following my previous posts, here's what started all of the investigation:

#1: Motor had to be WOT and cranked for 10 seconds to start
#2: Wouldn't idle at all
#3: Didn't have much power
#4: Took forever to plane (literally 2-3 minutes)
#5: Motor has slight knock at certain rpms when under load, sounds like rod knock, but not very deep. The knocking sound is not constant, it sometimes comes and goes, unlike any rod knock I've heard before.
#6: Timing was fine
 

delsol

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Re: Compression test complete; Understanding results?

well the youtube video. is real cool. i dont know the answer i know by you #'s that you got something bad their and fixed your boat will run better
if it was 2 connecting clys. i would thing a head gasket but its 3 low cly.'s
bob
 

Don S

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Re: Compression test complete; Understanding results?

Those compressions are REALLY LOW, no wonder it was hard to start and no power. Valves would be my first thought since the wet test showed little raise.
NOW, it time for either a leakdown test, or take the head off and look. There is nothing wrong with the rings.
 

Dante04SRT

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Re: Compression test complete; Understanding results?

My air compressor is still in Idaho, so I can't use it. How many lbs would I need to do a leakdown? Would an air tank work to fill the cylinder?
 

Don S

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Re: Compression test complete; Understanding results?

I wouldn't really worry about it then. Pull the head. A head gasket will be obvious, as well as bad valves. The one thing you know now is the rings are in good shape. Major engine work is not necessary...... so far.
 

Dante04SRT

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Re: Compression test complete; Understanding results?

I wouldn't really worry about it then. Pull the head. A head gasket will be obvious, as well as bad valves. The one thing you know now is the rings are in good shape. Major engine work is not necessary...... so far.

Thanks for the encouragement. ;) I'll probably get the head off tomorrow after work, hopefully all goes smooth and it turns out to be the head gasket. --fingers crossed--
 

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Re: Compression test complete; Understanding results?

If you ran your test with all the plugs out, a head gasket most likely would have shown up as two adjacent cylinders with 0 compression. I am going to hazard a guess at carbon buildup on the backside of the valves. Either way you are going to have to pull the head and do a visual inspection as you already said you were going to, so I am just reinforcing the opinion.
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Dante04SRT

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Re: Compression test complete; Understanding results?

Thanks, I've torn down automotive engines to get the heads off and its not really that hard, just time consuming. Are there any special procedural things on a boat that are that much different than in a car application?

I assume, just pull the carb, valve cover, intake/exhaust manifolds/risers and another directly attached to the head and then the head comes off, correct?
 

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Re: Compression test complete; Understanding results?

Make sure you drain the block. You don't need any extra water in places and then wonder if it was there before.
Keep everything in the same order as it came apart. You never know when you want to link some parts together to find a piece of a puzzle. Hard to do when everything is in the same box.
 

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Re: Compression test complete; Understanding results?

Yup, and I would do a complete valve job and grind if you are going to all that trouble.
 

Dante04SRT

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Re: Compression test complete; Understanding results?

Yup, and I would do a complete valve job and grind if you are going to all that trouble.

Is that something a machine shop will do for a reasonable price?
 

Don S

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Re: Compression test complete; Understanding results?

Comeon, you really didn't think you was going to lap those valves in and get all your compression back did you.
Best thing to do is take the head to your favorite machine shop and ask them. They don't set prices by what people say on this forum.
I would bet you will need at least a bunch of new valves. Hopefully you didn't loose any seats. Replaced seats just don't have a very good life expectency in marine engine.
 

Dante04SRT

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Re: Compression test complete; Understanding results?

Comeon, you really didn't think you was going to lap those valves in and get all your compression back did you.
Best thing to do is take the head to your favorite machine shop and ask them. They don't set prices by what people say on this forum.
I would bet you will need at least a bunch of new valves. Hopefully you didn't loose any seats. Replaced seats just don't have a very good life expectency in marine engine.

Gotcha.
 

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Re: Compression test complete; Understanding results?

I agree, if you are going to do all that work, take the head to a machine shop and get them to do whatever it needs. Your head will be as good as new. No point on trying to save a few bucks at this point, it will only cost you more later when you have to redo it.

Have a great day,

Rob.
 

delsol

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Re: Compression test complete; Understanding results?

you got an easy fix 4cly. as don also says my fav. line which is very true..


Why is there never enough time to do it right the first time,
But always enough time to do it again??
it should not cost that much . nice boat fix it right you wont be sorry
bob/philly
 

Dante04SRT

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Re: Compression test complete; Understanding results?

I began the teardown process after work tonight only to have it start raining on me! :mad:

Anyway, I got the intake and exhaust manifold/riser off of it. It was really easy considering the carb could stay attached and all. 5 bolts!

Anyway, if the weather holds, I'll get it all apart tomorrow night and see what we're really into.
 
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