Compression test, hot or cold?

nburford

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I have a '95 Johnson 200hp Ocean Runner and want to test the compression, any advice on temp?<br />Thanks in advance.<br />-Nick
 
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Re: Compression test, hot or cold?

Nick,<br /><br />Cold is fine. Most important, make sure the ignition is disabled (kill switch) and the throttle is open.<br /><br />Readings should be with 10-15 psi of each other.
 

seahorse5

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Re: Compression test, hot or cold?

Just to stir up things a bit, you do not need the throttle open to do a compression test on a 2-stroke. Try it both open and closed, then try it with your hand blocking off all the air at the carb opening. The compression readings will be almost the same as the piston is open to the atmosphere thru the exhaust port and compression does not begin until the piston rings pass over the top of the port as the piston rises in the cylinder.
 

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Re: Compression test, hot or cold?

Also a good idea to put the muffs on (don't need a lot of water pressure) so you don't fry the impeller.
 

sparkroost

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Re: Compression test, hot or cold?

seahorse, i don't think that's entirely true. You have a better chance of getting a higher, more accurate, reading with the plates open. If the air velocity is higher, then you will get more compression! Air does not enter the exhaust port to fill the cylinder. It comes from the intake port. Negative crankcase compression plays a role in this. As the piston travels downward it creates pressure which forces the mix into the intake port. The reeds block off this pressure from escaping to air. As Djohns stated, it's more important to note the overall readings, cold or hot. The actual number does not matter, only that there close to the same and higher that 80lbs(100 is more like it though). cold will yield higher numbers.
 

seahorse5

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Re: Compression test, hot or cold?

Sparkroost,<br /><br />Try it the different ways and tell me what your readings are. I demo this to many non-believers with their own motors and in training classes.
 

nburford

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Re: Compression test, hot or cold?

Thanks to all, I'll try it this weekend and let you know how it goes.<br />-Nick
 

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Re: Compression test, hot or cold?

Sea-Horse is correct! A compression test is only a "reference" as to what compression is. It does not mean you don't have bad rings/cylinders, etc... Really, the key is to check all cylinders the same. You would not test one cylinder cold, run the engine and then test a different cylinder "hot", the next, with throttle closed, the next with the throttle open..... just do them all the same and the readings will be consistant. That's the baseline you are looking for! I just did a V-4 OMC motor and had 3 cylinders at 120 psi and one at 110 psi. The consensious, of him and I, was that 10 psi was probably ok, as the customer says he did not know of any "lack of power" the last time he used the motor! (It was in for a bad power pak, which he destroy'd by hooking up the battery backwards, Battery C.D. ignition, 1970, these motors do not like that very much) anyway, after I install'd the new pack, the motor ran like crap,but had ignition, which it didn't have prior, but I did two more compression checks and still had 120 and 110 all around, pull'd off the intake side cover and had stuck rings, scouring and aluminum seperation of that "low" piston, Guess what?? He thinks I SHOULD of known that the motor was toast prior to me installing the $370 pack and $30 coil!! I told him I (in good faith) did a compression check (and check'd the gear oil) to help prevent this exact conversation with him !! He and I both agreed that 10 psi probably wasn't cause for concern !! An educated guess on both our parts!! "But your're the "professional", you should of known!". I told him, I was sick the day in service school that the gypsy came and taught how to predict the future with her chrystal ball.(and her friend, Superman came that same day to show us how to fine-tune our X-ray vision to look internally for problems, too). And that I didn't feel he should "monday morning quarterbacking" this and use it to blame me for his engine problems! "If I'd known that the engine was bad I wouldn't have paid you, (me) to install parts that weren't going to help the engine run any better", "You should take off the parts You install'd, and not charge me a thing!!!" I told him he was mistaken, If I could know beforhand, what the problems with motors were prior to actually "working" on them, I would be down at lottery headquarters and not working on his 32 year old outboard !!! I am reluctantly taking off the pak, will put it in inventory but he is gunna pay some labor, frieght, etc... Anyway, forgive me from straying... A compression check really does not mean you don't have problems, it is just a helpfull tool to use in identifing potential problems. Have a good day!!
 

seahorse5

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Re: Compression test, hot or cold?

PV is correct that a compression test on a 2-stroke is not always a true test of the engine's health. The oil in the fuel can seal the grooves in a scored piston or bad rings during cranking. That is the same reason you squirt some oil in a 4-stroke that may have low compression to see if it rises significantly, showing that the piston and rings had poor sealing.<br /><br />Many times on smaller outboards, you can have decent compression, yet the motor will not idle the best no matter what you do. Years back we would then pull the heads and side covers and find scoring. Today we use the leak-down tester if we have any doubts as to the motor's internals.<br /><br />This is the type of dialog that makes the board interesting and informative. With guys like PV and other knowledgable folks, the information imparted educates some and blows holes in "urban legends" and "old wive's tales" that have been around for ages.
 

nburford

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Re: Compression test, hot or cold?

Ran compression test with following results:<br />100 100<br />100 100<br />97 99<br />Obviously their close, but how are the numbers?<br />Thanks,<br />-Nick
 
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