consulting regarding RIB AVON SUPERSPORT S 3.45

[sameh]

Hi folks

have checked on this RIB AVON SUPERSPORT S 3.45. I am considering buying but need your feedback.

The RIB looks old based on the "roots" seen on the leather as some pictures show but i don't know if this is considered "run away-the RIB will sink" or a natural thing comes with age and sun and the RIB can perform well with all that!

It has a lovely yamaha 30 hp 2 stroke ejection that looks new, written on it 1995-assuming it is the year it was made.

I don't know if the boat came the same year as the engine. there is some code on the stern AVBGB W62E494.

please have a look at pictures and try to give me feedback as if this boat is in good condition, and if not-what would it need to be in shape!

the seller claims it has no leaks of water, air pressure remains steady for 10 days or so, and that it runs great. it is kept in shade with cover. i have not tested it in water yet.

will appreciate your help! by the way, is Avon made of Hypalon?

 

[sameh]

Re: consulting regarding RIB AVON SUPERSPORT S 3.45

more pictures

 

[Sea Rider]

Re: consulting regarding RIB AVON SUPERSPORT S 3.45

Avon is a great Hypalon rib, for your peace of mind and wallet better ask owner, or better yet write Avon, send code stamped on tech plate and check how old is that rib. Hypalon is not eternal, do last very long, with time fabric can dry, crack, become pourous, outter skin can peel-off. Third and fourth last pics don't look too good, probably the seams will start to become unglued, that's bad music. What's the asking price for the total combo ?

Hypalon retubing is expensive, check overall rib fabric condition before you hope up too much. Having a center console and being just 3.45 mt, probably too small for fishing, but going for that size will depend entirely on you. In Israel, can you get Defender X Pro 3 D Tender sibs/ribs ?

Happy Boating

 

[sameh]

Re: consulting regarding RIB AVON SUPERSPORT S 3.45

Avon is a great Hypalon rib, for your peace of mind and wallet better ask owner, or better yet write Avon, send code stamped on tech plate and check how old is that rib. Hypalon is not eternal, do last very long, with time fabric can dry, crack, become pourous, outter skin can peel-off. Third and fourth last pics don't look too good, probably the seams will start to become unglued, that's bad music. What's the asking price for the total combo ?

Hypalon retubing is expensive, check overall rib fabric condition before you hope up too much. Having a center console and being just 3.45 mt, probably too small for fishing, but going for that size will depend entirely on you. In Israel, can you get Defender X Pro 3 D Tender sibs/ribs ?

Happy Boating

Hellow searider and many thanks for your support.
asking price is 3400$ for the whole package which includes: boat+engine-yamaha 30 hp injection+trailer-needs another 500$for certificates. total: 4000$. does that sounds good price?

I will check with soap and water and try looking for its condition.
it is small indeed but not too smal for 2 people. a bit tight at front but could take of rear seat and have larger space for the back for 2 people. with that comes also bonuses I think, such as lighter weight and easier trailing. but i may be wrong if the differences between 3.45 RIB and one meter bigger RIB are not that obvious! What would you think?

by the way, here is the answer i got from Avon UK:

"Yes, it is made of hypalon
The scratches need over patching so that they don’t delaminate
The year of manufacture is 1994

Avon ribs/boats are normally expected to last about 25 years so although this boat has been treated hard it is worth loving for a bit longer I suspect.

We can supply material and the rubbing strake that is missing and these can be shipped to you easily BUT the cleaning solvent and glues for the repair are very very expensive to ship because of the regulations

Let us know if you wish a quote for hypalon material or the rubbing strake

Many thanks"

heard also about a factory here dealing with hypalon.

anyway, am also considering getting something from new from china (for 4m+). If I will get offer I will consult you of course.

best regards
sameh

 

[Sea Rider]

Re: consulting regarding RIB AVON SUPERSPORT S 3.45

Sameh,

If you will be buying the whole combo new, you're looking at a 8-10 grand investment easily. Althought the asking price sounds good, would be waisting money if the hypalon tubes start having ungluing issues right after you bought the rib. It's very difficult to buy glues/solvents these days, to much air carrier strict regulations for transporting flammable substances even if you buy them at a store outside Israel. Are you in a real hurry for a nice rib, how many months could you wait for a custom one ? would 3 months be too much ?

If the fabric is kind of dry, has small cracks, seams are becomming to unglue, better stay away from it, unless you will want in a short, medium, long future term to order a new set of Avon tubes for local retubing. Ask Avon for a tube quote so to have an idea.

Happy Boating

 

[sameh]

Re: consulting regarding RIB AVON SUPERSPORT S 3.45

Sameh,

If you will be buying the whole combo new, you're looking at a 8-10 grand investment easily. Althought the asking price sounds good, would be waisting money if the hypalon tubes start having ungluing issues right after you bought the rib. It's very difficult to buy glues/solvents these days, to much air carrier strict regulations for transporting flammable substances even if you buy them at a store outside Israel. Are you in a real hurry for a nice rib, how many months could you wait for a custom one ? would 3 months be too much ?

If the fabric is kind of dry, has small cracks, seams are becomming to unglue, better stay away from it, unless you will want in a short, medium, long future to order a new set of Avon tubes for local retubbing. Ask Avon for a tube quote so to have an idea.

Happy Boating

hi
i thought new avon rib alone (without engine and stuff) would cost a lot more than 8-10 for whole combo!

As for the current one, I am convinced it could be a waste of time and money having one that is becoming old...thanks for the help to decide that.
as wrote in theother thread, I am thinking of ordering new rib from alibaba in a few months once i will have all the money. will appreciate your help with that. achinese new RIB is probably better than a 20 year old evon

 

[Sea Rider]

Re: consulting regarding RIB AVON SUPERSPORT S 3.45

Personally would preffer a fresh PVC-Polyurethane-Hypalon fabric than a 20 years old one, very near it's Waterloo time and much worst if local support is a lottery. Will advance you that the factory we work with just makes low overboard ribs up to 340 Mt. Then comes the Oceanic versions 420 to 580. Have developed a nice rib line of alum hulls, for fishing starts 360-380-420 Mt. Can be build in German PVC and French Hypalon in the thickness you like, fabric colors and combinations are available to suit your personal taste. Will inquire factory prices, this can take a few days.

Happy Boating

 

[sameh]

Re: consulting regarding RIB AVON SUPERSPORT S 3.45

. Will inquire factory prices, this can take a few days.

Happy Boating[/QUOTE]
thanks
loofing forward for that.
by the way, is it reasonable to see that when a few kilograms are added when going from one size rib to 2 feet more then the recommended hp would be that large? sometimes it jumps for example from 30 hp on a 3.8 to 60 hp on a 4.5 boat!

does it mean that the 4.5 boat for example would not perform well with 30 hp? which would be more economic for regular speeds?
for me, I prefer not to go larger than 30 hp due to price, economy (if that is indeed more economic), weight and easier on hard beaches.
If 30 hp can go with larger boat than 3.8-4.2 then I am welling to consider that as well.
sameh
sameh

 

[Sea Rider]

Re: consulting regarding RIB AVON SUPERSPORT S 3.45

Sameh,

The max engine allowed is for transporting the max passengers stated on transom tech plate. No need to go for the full HP if transporting less passengers. With a 30 any 380-420 rib you pick will work fantastic well. As an example my 420 rib for max 6 passengers states a 30 HP engine, as this is not the club's rib and only transporting max 3 passengers, usually 2, with just an 18 HP the rib jumps on plane near instantly. If using 30, worst if being a 2 strokes will be out of my daily boating budget. Are you planning buying a 2 or 4 strokes engine ?

Happy Boating

 

[sameh]

Re: consulting regarding RIB AVON SUPERSPORT S 3.45

Sameh,

The max engine allowed is for transporting the max passengers stated on transom tech plate. No need to go for the full HP if transporting less passengers. With a 30 any 380-420 rib you pick will work fantastic well. As an example my 420 rib for max 6 passengers states a 30 HP engine, as this is not the club's rib and only transporting max 3 passengers, usually 2, with just an 18 HP the rib jumps on plane near instantly. If using 30, worst if being a 2 strokes will be out of my daily boating budget. Are you planning buying a 2 or 4 strokes engine ?

Happy Boating

thanks
so 30 hp will work fine for 4.8 meters as well? with 3 on board?
regarding 2 or 4 strokes it is an issue I will need consulting about.
Is weight differences in the small engines, between 2 and heavier 4 stroke, is small enough not to be felt when trailing?
Will 4 cycles engines around 30 hp be that much more economic to justify the extra weight and extra money? with 75+hp i know it makes difference...

here the laws permit 2 cycles.
there is also the injection 2 cycles which i see as something in between...

 

[Sea Rider]

Re: consulting regarding RIB AVON SUPERSPORT S 3.45

Sameh,

For fishing and general boating don't go larger than a 420 Mt rib, larger ones needs center consoles and larger engines, more space to keeep combo including larger trailers and a proper towing vehicle as well. A 30 on a large 480 rib will take 3-4 to fishing spot, but will be too basic, that size needs minimum 40 HP for better performance and 50-60 HP engines for top performance with hell of a time included.

Portable 4 strokes engines usually weights 10-12 Kg more compared to same 2 strokes brothers, consumes around 30% + less gas than same 2 strokes, but requires more service, carter oil change along filter, timming belt change, valve lash adjustment which 2 strokes doesn't. Boaters asserts that 2 strokes achieves better hole shot than same 4 strokes ones. 2 Cycle EFI-TLDI engines cost more than 2 or 4 strokes same HP engines. Do you plan to have engine permanent fixed to transom ?

Happy Boating

 

[sameh]

Re: consulting regarding RIB AVON SUPERSPORT S 3.45

Sameh,

For fishing and general boating don't go larger than a 420 Mt rib, larger ones needs center consoles and larger engines, more space to keeep combo including larger trailers and a proper towing vehicle as well. A 30 on a large 480 rib will take 3-4 to fishing spot, but will be too basic, that size needs minimum 40 HP for better performance and 50-60 HP engines for top performance with hell of a time included.

Portable 4 strokes engines usually weights 10-12 Kg more compared to same 2 strokes brothers, consumes around 30% + less gas than same 2 strokes, but requires more service, carter oil change along filter, timming belt change, valve lash adjustment which 2 strokes doesn't. Boaters asserts that 2 strokes achieves better hole shot than same 4 strokes ones. 2 Cycle EFI-TLDI engines cost more than 2 or 4 strokes same HP engines. Do you plan to have engine permanent fixed to transom ?

Happy Boating

thanks again
your feedback gives puts me on the right trail. thanks alot.
I have no problem with outboard permanent fixed to transom. why do you ask? Ain't that related to the manufacturer design whether it is clamps or permanent screws or it is every smaller engine can be fixed with both ways?

 

[Sea Rider]

Re: consulting regarding RIB AVON SUPERSPORT S 3.45

Just asking because if with permanent living on transom you could go for a larger 30 HP engine, if needs to be mounted and dismounted constantly preferably go for a 18-20 HP which weights less than a 25/30, your spinal colum will be eternally greatful. Usually all portable engines up to 50 HP have clamp screws along swivel bracket holes for permanent engine fixation to transom.

Have you checked with local dealer that was offering Korean sibs, if they sell ribs too ? probably have them in stock or could be imported to Israel, a matter to check prices and fabric gauge characteristics.

Happy Boating