Cooling System Questions

lakenormangal

Seaman
Joined
Sep 6, 2014
Messages
66
I have a 1990 Sunbird with an OMC Cobra 4.3 HO.

Changed the alternator and fired up the boat with the muffs on it and everything seemed fine. Temp was normal.

Got it out on the lake the other day and it overheated very quickly. I probably shouldn't have taken it out on a such a busy day, there were boats everywhere, and I was so busy watching out for all the other boats ( it was nuts, one guy in a canoe ran into a fishing boat ( that was standing still) near me and then almost hit me. I was slowly trying to get away from all the other boats.

So it took me a few minutes to recheck the gauges, I had checked them at the landing. The temp gauge was almost all the way over in the red. So I shut it down. a few moments later, I heard something pop in the outdrive. ( think it was the impeller housing, the back popped off.)
I actually swam back to the dock towing the boat most of the way til I could get a tow. Turned the motor off 1500 ft from the landing.
Once we got it back home, I checked the impeller. Its pretty beat up and a little deformed looking. But the all the "flappers"were in place and the impeller is not stuck or melted to the liner. We checked the movement of the water pump shafter and it moves when you bump the motor with the key.

We think the thermostat stuck closed, I’ll know tomorrow morning when I check it. ( Boil it in water with a temp gauge and see where or if it opens.)
We pulled the plugs and water came out, so both head gaskets are blown. The motor moves freely, so the pistons and cylinders are probaly fine. The boat is going to my friend's shop later today and he's pulling the heads and changineng the head gaskets.

Here's my question, I have ordered a new impeller, impeller housing, gasket and liner. My friend with the shop tells me that those parts are probably all that is needed, BUT I looked looked at the breakdown page of the cooling system in the OMC manual and there’s lots of stuff that could be affected by the heat. I know there’s someone here this happened to. What else do I need to check? What other parts might be affected? I mean it got hot enough for the back of the impeller housing to melt and pop off.

Now the other question, I did notice was this black crud build up around the impeller in the impeller housing, it seems to be from the impeller turning in the liner, while the impeller was super hot. And it seems to be localized a a corner of the impeller housing, BUT there is a little bit of tiny black crumbles that I noticed on the wall of the one of the passages. Could that have clogged up any small passages?

Thanks.
 
Last edited:

bruceb58

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Mar 5, 2006
Messages
30,588
The exhaust hoses coming off the risers might need to be changed if they got hot enough.

Back flush from the thermostat housing back to the drive to make sure that is all clear.
 

lakenormangal

Seaman
Joined
Sep 6, 2014
Messages
66
Thanks Bruce. Do you have any ideas on why it overheated? And do you think the overheating may have damaged the seals, like the water pump shaft seal, the o ring for the bearing carrier, ect? Is there any way to check for that?
 

bruceb58

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Mar 5, 2006
Messages
30,588
If your exhaust bellows didn't melt, then you likely didn't get hot enough to cause damage in the drive.

Your thermostat check will show a lot. If it is bad, you would still get cooling water to the exhaust system and everything downstream on the exhaust will be fine.
 

lakenormangal

Seaman
Joined
Sep 6, 2014
Messages
66
The bellows appear to be in good shape. The clamps are not digging into them, like the material did not get soft enough for the clamps to melt into.
I'm pretty certain my friend know ho to do this, but what is the easiest way to flush the system as you described? I know I ask alot of questions but someday it might be just me working on the boat, so I want to learn all I can.
(i'm a little on the older side, and I can just see me being 75 years old, tearing into the boat by myself cos I outlived my men.) And yes I'm hoping I can get 15 or 20 years out of the little Sunbird.
 

bruceb58

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Mar 5, 2006
Messages
30,588
there is one hose that goes to the thermostat housing that is the feed from the drive. There will be a power steering cooler between that hose and the drive. The water will exit the water pump housing so you will have to have that cover off when doing the flush.
 
Joined
Jul 25, 2012
Messages
64
"there is one hose that goes to the thermostat housing that is the feed from the drive. There will be a power steering cooler between that hose and the drive. The water will exit the water pump housing so you will have to have that cover off when doing the flush."

Of the three hoses connected to your thermostat housing, two go to the front of the manifolds. The other one is the one bringing water on board. Disconnecting that one and hooking up a hose to it as mentioned is great for making sure that you're not clogged up between there and the raw water pump. There are more passages between the raw water pump and the intake grates on the lower unit though. Do the same test again, but pop the raw water pump housing back on for a minute. Leave the impeller out for the moment. Pressurize that intake hose again and see if water is coming strongly out of the intake grates.

I once had a clog of marine growth below the raw water pump and found it this way.

If all's clear, don't forget to put the impeller in as usual, hook everything back up knowing that you have no obstructions between the lake and the thermostat housing. Hopefully this gets you out of the woods and back on the water.
 

lakenormangal

Seaman
Joined
Sep 6, 2014
Messages
66
Ok rookie question, is the raw water pump the pump that is mounted onto the front of the motor? The one that is driven by a belt?
 

bruceb58

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Mar 5, 2006
Messages
30,588
No...on back of the outdrive with the rubber impeller.

One on front of motor is called the circulating pump.
 
Top