Correct fiberglass repair technique

thrasher

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Well I guess it was going to happen!! Whilst removing my deck, I got too close to the hull with the circular saw!! I have managed to cut a hole about 3 inches long and 1/8 inch wide in my hull. What is the correct method for rapairing this kind of damage? I am assuming I want to apply fibre glass cloth to both sides of the hull, but how do you fill the hole? Just let the epoxy fill it? What kind of resin and cloth/mating should I be using? I have 90% of the floor out, so I will remove the other 10% tomorrow and then during the week, see about fixing the hole..
All ideas gratefully received.

Gary
 

watermellonI

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Re: Correct fiberglass repair technique

I would put some masking tape on the outside of the hull mix up some cabosil with a little color and fill the cut from the inside, after that hardens, just hardens not cures, remove the tape from the outside and glass a layer or two over the inside.
 

thrasher

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Re: Correct fiberglass repair technique

What is cabosil? I am not familiar with it? I think I will follow the suggestions of the document supplied by GC. I was suprisede that it doesn't need any fiberglass on the outside, so I will try to repair it from the inside..

So how long until I stop itching? I took a shower last night and used a small scrubbing pad to try and remove the fiberglass dust, but I still itch all over!!

Gary
 

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Re: Correct fiberglass repair technique

Gary, I agre with the prev. poster. Rough up the fiberglass on the inside around the cut, with course paper. Wipe it with acetone. Apply a couple of layers of cloth saturated with polyester resin (catalysed), and let harden. Put some masking tape on the sides of the cut on the outside. Force some marine putty (Poly or epoxy) into the cut. Sand it almost completely before it gets too hard. A final sanding with fine grit paper and you are done.
 

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Re: Correct fiberglass repair technique

It happens but is no big deal. The repair is done from the inside. What I did was grind down the inside, at least 6 inches past the cut on all sides, and then ground the area by the hole deeper, so it kind of looked like a dish. Put tape on the outside and then a few layers of glass on the inside. Depending on where it is, in some cases I just used maybe 3 or 4 layers of matt, while in others areas I used some woven roving in between. The PO of my boat put a 3/4 inch sheet of ply over the rotten deck and put a few drywall screws through the hull. I also added my own with the skilsaw. Do a search there are many posts on this topic.

Have a great day,

Rob.
 

thrasher

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Re: Correct fiberglass repair technique

I thought you wheren't suppose to use polyester resin for below water line repairs? I have cleared the fiberglass out for 4 inches either side of the cut, I ground the fiberglass down so its no longer a slit, but more of a dished hole.
I cleaned it out with acetone and applied some tape on the outside of the hull. I just need to go buy the matt and resin, I was going to get epoxy resin not polyester as I understood epoxy would be better for boat applications. I will also rough up the surface as I used a dremel to ground the fiberglass down, so it left a nice smooth finish..

Gary
 

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Re: Correct fiberglass repair technique

It won't make any difference whether you use epoxy or polyester resin, the rest of your boat is made from poylester (even below the waterline) and it seems to be doing fine, right? Don't use cloth as the first layer when using polyester resin, it won't bond well.
 

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Re: Correct fiberglass repair technique

Gary,

You do not want a nice smooth finish. You want a rough finish with 24 or 36 grit grinding disc. The bond between resin and the hull will be a mechanical bond not a chemical bond. Therefore the rough finish will give the resin more to bite into. With respect to epoxy, while it is better, are the additional $$ really worth it? Some may say yes, but in my case I did not think so. My repair with poly will last as long as I am the owner of the boat, it will outlast me. Especially if you take care of it. Remember nearly all boats are made from polyester, so it is OK below the waterline. The reason I dished it out a little was so it could be filled up with the resin and cloth or matt for the repair. Made it more uniform. Once the repair is complete, you will only need to do a small bit of gelcoat touch up on the outside.

Have a great day,

Rob.
 

thrasher

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Re: Correct fiberglass repair technique

Sorry guys,

you got me lost. You say don't use cloth for the first layer, so what should I use? I normally rough up the area, then apply a thin layer of resin and then lay a fiberglass cloth onto the resin, I then wet that cloth with resin and apply another layer, and another, then I stop and wait for the resin to set (24 hours) then I lay another 3 layers and keep doing that until I have the required thickness. You reply says not to use cloth, so I am not sure what the first layer is meant to be?

Gary
 

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Re: Correct fiberglass repair technique

... Don't use cloth as the first layer when using polyester resin, it won't bond well.
I'm curious too, why?
When fully wetted with resin, all the cloth OR mat does is add strength. How does it make a difference in bond strength?
 

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Re: Correct fiberglass repair technique

I think what he meant is that you should use a layer of matt first, then maybe cloth in between. Cloth does not adhere as well as matt does to existing glass. I would not even use cloth. I would use woven roving in between layers of matt. Start with a layer of matt then woven roving, then put a layer of matt, then woven roving then matt, etc. How many layers depends on what was there originally. For tabbing a floor, I used stitch matt and a layer of matt over it. Then I put another layer of matt over the whole floor. Use a plastic grooved roller when you are doing your glass work. Also make sure you are using laminating resin when you are doing multiple lay ups.

Have a great day,

Rob.
 

ondarvr

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Re: Correct fiberglass repair technique

Correct on the mat bonding better than Cloth. In the real world of F/G very little cloth is used and the vast majority of boat builders don't use cloth for anything. Cloth is pricy for the strength it adds, so most use roving or stitched products.
 

rebuilt

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Re: Correct fiberglass repair technique

Nicked a few holes in mine during removal. It's no real big deal. Ditto the poly vs epoxy thought. Your hull is polyester anyway, so use polyester. This whole bond thing is really a technicality if you ask me. Scuff the heck out of it. 34 grit or courser. The formula for determining the patch area is 1 to 12. IE, if you've got a 1/4" thick hull, multiply that by 12 to get the total patch area. 12 X 1/4" = 3". So. just scuff out a minimum of 3" from the slice, if your hull is 1/4" thick, in all directions, cup it if you want to, have your glass precut and ready to go. It's a lot easier than cutting and laying at the same time. The first layer should be overlapped by the second layer by at least 1" on all sides,, which is overlapped by the 3rd, and so on. The think is that the increasing size of the subsequent layers helps with the mechanical bond. The layers laminate to themselves chemically. Think about it, when they build these things, a fully cured hull comes down the line and needs to be prepped for the stringer and deck work. That whole bond, all of it, including the deck to hull layer is this much maligned mechanical bond. As I took mine apart, I was amazed at the strength of the hull to deck bond. Mine is 30 years old. There was no prying it off. Not without shearing the hull itself. It had to be cut. When I got down to the original hull glass, I noticed a pattern of ROUGH gouges about a 32nd deep everywhere deck adhered to existing hull. Must be some kind of roughing tool they use in preparation for the deck tie in. If ya can't pry it loose with a 4 foot bar and a sledgehammer, I have got believe it's a pretty good bond. And yeah, that one was mechanical. On the mat, cloth thing, the mat between layers of roving or cloth helps to integrate the layers by changing up the directions of the individual strands between layers.. All fabric has a bias. Even 18 oz roving has a bias. Mat just mixes it up. Makes it stronger. Mat is just plain lousy for an outside corner or radius or a tight inside corner or radius. The orientation of the strands will not let it lay well unless the surface is pretty flat. Mat will actually break in two if you fold it. Thats where roving and cloth come in. I had some tight outside radius work on the exterior of my new transom. Mat just turned into gooey hairballs as I tried to get it to conform the the shape I needed. The more you work it, the messier it gets. The adhesive used to hold the strands together is designed to disolve in polyester resin. Used roving next time, no problems, hugged the curves and inside corners fine, with a little patience. Finished off with 6oz cloth for a smoother look. My 2 cents worth. KR
 
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mullmuscle

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Re: Correct fiberglass repair technique

Hi there.I wondered if someone can help me? I have a fibreglass cabin boat(its a microplus 501) A few years ago it ended up flipped over on its cabin and crushed in. The cabin is still mostly attached but has come apart at a couple of points. Is it possible to repair the cabin myself and have the boat back in its normal strength? Also how would I go about doing it?
Alan
 

proshadetree

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Re: Correct fiberglass repair technique

First I would start my own thread with pics.Yes if its fiberglass it can be fixed but you have to weigh in cost.Resin and cloth isnt cheap.
 
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