Cracked block from freezing?

Scott Danforth

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Re: Cracked block from freezing?

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Guys, how did a question on "did I FUBAR my motor" become an argument on my way is best on winterizing
 

Lou C

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Re: Cracked block from freezing?

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Guys, how did a question on "did I FUBAR my motor" become an argument on my way is best on winterizing
Maybe because the winterizing obviously never happened??
Using the well it can't freeze because its only going to be 28* for 2 hrs thinking is what gets many people into this mess....and if they want a boat...and don't change their thinking....then they need to forget about raw water cooled I/Os and get an OUTBOARD.....
 
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Grub54891

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Re: Cracked block from freezing?

Maybe I'm missing something here but how is it any different running the AF down the hose and in through the muffs (assuming you have the muffs properly attached and the AF tank generously vented) vs. having the boat sit in the water and starting it? In neither case is the liquid pressurized and in both cases (I would think) the impeller would be lubricated at the same time. We're just talking about idling here.

Well, them bravos dont seem to take the anti freeze easily when on the trailer. The pump is not in the drive. So by using the freshwater pump,it gets there rather easily.
 

Lou C

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Re: Cracked block from freezing?

Cobra impeller mount.jpg

I did try rigging up a livewell pump to the winterizing tank for that very purpose, keep in mind that the muffs have to fit tight for it to work. Realizing how much easier and safer manually backfilling is, I wound up using my contraption as a flusher for my drum brakes where there is not a hose at the ramp. Plug it into the trailer plug on the Jeep and it works well.
When you put the boat in the water, the static water pressure because of how the boat sits in the water, forces water from the drive intakes all the way into the raw water hose from the transom. Then an engine mounted impeller can prime without difficulty. When you do this with the winterizing tank, gravity feed may not be adequate to raise the water level up the foot and a half or so it must travel from the drive intakes to fill that hose. Pump pressure may work, if it does not suck air around the muffs.
If you have a Bravo or Volvo (engine mounted impeller) I'd say forget even trying this. Just do it the way I described (manual backfill). If you an Alpha with the impeller in the lower unit it can work because the pump is pushing from right above the intakes, not sucking from 4 feet away on the front of the engine.

Just as an engineering aside, I have a Cobra which has the impeller in the upper gear housing. When you have a cooling problem one of these, one of the checks you do is to see if water is getting to the water passage in the impeller mount. To make water squirt out of this passage the muffs must fit TIGHT, if not water does not even make it that far. So that's why I say, be careful if you want to pump in AF with an engine mounted impeller....
 
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tazrig

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Re: Cracked block from freezing?

I guess I the boatyards I talked to have always had tight muffs (i didn't know there were any other kind) because I've never burned up an impeller in 22 years of doing it this way for both myself and numerous friends.
 

baineyg

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Re: Cracked block from freezing?

Thanks for the info guys, looks like I'll have a project next year. Wish I would have thought of the drain plugs on the block and would have escaped this problem. If I get another boat I'm going outboard.
 

Scott Danforth

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Re: Cracked block from freezing?

if you drained the block, this would not have happened. you stated you drained the manifolds.

if you pulled the plugs in the block, you did not probe the ports with a piece of wire to dislodge the crud that settles in the block and prevents the water from running out.
 

Walt T

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Re: Cracked block from freezing?

I knew a guy who only changed his oil filter every other oil change. Said he "been doin it 25 years and never had a problem!"
Doing something a certain way for length of time doesn't make it right. Just ask my wife.
 
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