Crashed boat Resto

[ondarvr]

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1. Put the wood where ever its needed, you can kind of grind and glass around it. To start with having it on the inside would be better though, that way you can tab it with glass from the outside first and when the wood is removed you can put the thicker layup on the inside.

2. Yes do this from the out side. Masking tape works well.


3. you did a good job of reading between the lines in my brief post.

 

[Nandy]

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ok, got you. so the first fiberglass outside it aka of tacking your weld. then do the nice cleaning and glassing inside then go back to the front, smoot it and gelcoat it. I will bring up my gelcoat questions back once I get ready for it... I have been told that WE are boating this weekend. I cant work on it saturday and I will just be able to do a little friday (about 4 hours) so I will get it enough to the point I can put the screws back in. Wont screw the parts are working on. I will then use duct tape to cover what the rubrail should and keep water out... That is going to look funny as heck but after a month of no boating I cant hold it no more...

 

[ondarvr]

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I wish I had said as simply as you did on my first attempt.

 

[Nandy]

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It was clear! This old head needs reasurance, that's all.

 

[Nandy]

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Here is what I did today.
Jig the lose part of the fiberglass in place. Then applied the patches. The nose has about 3 patches as it was so messed up that I had to build it. the rest is 4" by 10" strips. When I left it was still not dry (bit under the hour) but it was tack enough for me to be happy that the patches would not move. I think I soaked it too much as I had a bit of problem to keep the patches in the right place. I had to "massage" them and then they would stick. The brown part is where I grind to the glass. Did not extend the patch to the section that will be covered by the upper deck as not to build too much thickness that it would not go back in place.

Any input as what y'all see?

For the long story... I started to mix a batch using some old resin. I bet that resin was 4 years old. That think started gelling in under 3 minutes. I added 7 drops for half an ounce as I wanted to put a few patches see how it dried and then do the other half. This just in case I messed up the hardener amount. Since that gelled a bit too fast I thought it could be the resin. I open up a can of resin that I bought not 2 years ago. If I recall right this can was never opened. Same results... Started to wonder if my hardener amount was right. Still suspecting the resin went and bought a new can. This time there was no surprises...

Will try to put the boat back together minus the rubrail parts and I might not put the screws in the part that I just repaired. Will use duct tape to keep the water from coming in between the 2 parts. That will let us use the boat sunday and then will try to finish the fiberglassing during the week.

Thanks!

 

[Mark42]

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Not looking too bad at all! Yeah, old resin is not too good. A new can will make it easier to deal with.

Have fun out on the water.

 

[superpop]

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So are you getting a new boat or some cash for the damage to this one. I am assuming since you are fixing this one that you already settled. If not I would be careful with working on your boat. An adjuster will look at what you are doing and say, well you fixed it, so it is really not a total loss and try to offer less. A lot less. And this is the internet so your position with regards to how difficult or labor intensive it is to fix is out there for all to see. Just my paranoid side coming out.

 

[Nandy]

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Just my paranoid side coming out.

LOL!!! Property damage part is done. Personal injury claim is still ongoing. I am getting a replacement hull or a boat, depending on what I find to be a good deal. Im fixing this to have something to finish the season as I will wait for the off season to buy. If I dont see a good buy that is...

 

[ondarvr]

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You're off to a good start, load on the glass and then grind off everything that doesn't look like a boat, fiberglass is great stuff.

With a little grinding and a cheap can of white spray paint it may only look "redneck" at close range, from 20' it may look fine.

 

[ezmobee]

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LOL!!! Property damage part is done. Personal injury claim is still ongoing. I am getting a replacement hull or a boat, depending on what I find to be a good deal. Im fixing this to have something to finish the season as I will wait for the off season to buy. If I dont see a good buy that is...

Hey Nandy....just a thought: if you're looking for possibly JUST a hull, then I would be shopping now. This is the time when people decide "hey, I gotta get rid of this old boat" not in September. If you were looking for nice complete packages then yeah I could see waiting till the end of the season for some deals but for a hull I'd keep my eyes open now.

 

[Rickairmedic]

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Hey Nandy....just a thought: if you're looking for possibly JUST a hull, then I would be shopping now. This is the time when people decide "hey, I gotta get rid of this old boat" not in September. If you were looking for nice complete packages then yeah I could see waiting till the end of the season for some deals but for a hull I'd keep my eyes open now.

I gotta agree with this theres probably a 1/2 dozen or more ( project boats Needs TLC boats ) on my local craigslist right now . Yall leave my prospects alone other than Nandy since he needs a hull I will share with him .


Rick

 

[Nandy]

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I wont stop looking but im more inclined to just get another boat. Then again, i have the option of a hull...
Last night i checked and there was 2 spots the size of my thumb still tacky. Everything else was dry and hard. I would not be able to go there today but if they are not dry by tomorrow what can i do? I wont have time to put another batch of resin and fiberglass. Should i mix a quick batch of resin only and cover those 2 spots?
Any tip to make sure the resin is completely mixed with the resin will help. I moved that batch for over 30 sec in a big plate...
Thanks

 

[Mark42]

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Could be the problem is mixing on a plate. I mix in plastic cups and use something like a paint stirrer to stir it. Its important to scrape the sides and bottom of the container to ensure all resin is being mixed with the hardener. Otherwise, there can be "dead" spots in the mix that end up with no hardener and will never cure.

Try washing off the sticky spots with acetone and dry. Then if its not sticky, add more resin. But adding resin over the sticky probably will not harden it.

So it this easier than you thought or what?

 

[Nandy]

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So it this easier than you thought or what?

With y'alls help it is. I guess it helps that there is no pressure about how the final product looks. Since Im done with that hull the most important part is that it holds. I might even use gel coat and take this repair as a training exercise... who knows..

Thanks!

 

[legoman67]

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great job so far! like you said, its a perfect chance to hone your skills for when something more important comes up! also when you know your getting another boat no matter what, you have nothing to loose.

a little sanding/grinding to shape the front + a little gellcoat you will never be able to tell the repair was done!

 

[Nandy]

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short update. I removed that second batch of fiberglass that will not cure. I was worried some of the parts "inside" of the patch would not cure either. After grinding much of it I'm glad I did. First batch looks and cured great. Will go back and finish grinding and hopefully put th patches again. Had to erect a shelter due to the rain. Since I'm boating during the weekends I will repair during the week and boat the weekends.
Later and thanks y'all!

 

[Nandy]

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I was able to redo those patches. I realized I measured the second batch resin wrong and that caused the problem. I grind well into the first batch and it was all great, dry, hard and looking good.
The resin is drying quick in the 84 degrees we had today. I meant QUICK!! I only got to do one patch and when I turned around to get the next patch dip in resin it was gelling already. That plastic pan I am using really gets hot!! I will go down a bit in the hardener, from 14 drops per oz to 10. If anyone thinks that will be a problem please chime in.
Since part of these patches are upside down, What will be the better way to apply them? Use a brush to apply the resin to the hull, apply the dry fiberglass patch then apply more resin with the brush over the patch? What I am doing right now is soaking the fiberglass in the resin, trying to remove the excess of resin by passing both sides of the patch over the edge of the container to "scrape" the excess of resin and then applying the patch. Seems I have to spend quite some time massaging the patch to make it stick and not fall. Any inputs on that will be appreciated as i still have the upper deck of the hull to repair. I will not add more fiberglass to the outside of the hull until I finish the big patches in the inside. I might have enough fiberglass in the outside that I might not need to add more when it comes down to sand it down to finish.

As usual, thanks for all your help...

 

[Mark42]

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Yeah, upside down work sucks. I think you have the right idea with applying the resin to the patch then putting the patch in place. A thin coat of resin on the patch area should be enough before putting the patch in place. If there is too much resin, things are heavy and tend to pull free with gravity.

How about some pics of the repairs so far?

 

[Nandy]

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It pretty much looks like reply #25 http://forums.iboats.com/showpost.php?p=2107201&postcount=25 as I had to go back to "square 2" due to the bad mix I did. Only difference now is that I jigged the hull in one more space in order to try to level the 2 broken pieces better. In my first attempt there was about 3/16 inch difference between the hull pieces. I jigged now and there was no difference that I could see. So it worked out great no matter what. Tomorrow I will remove the stuff I have stored in the hull compartment and will start grinding inside of the hull. I might not move the jigs inside as I have a lot of open space, grind, patch, let it dry and then remove the jigs. Is it true that you can have up to 24 hours between patches and there still be a chemical bonding? I thought I read that somewhere here. That last section I jigged had quite some pressure on it and I want to make sure it will stay there. I dont think the patch will be strong enough to hold after only 2 hours of drying. Any input appreciated.

 

[Nandy]

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sorry, double post, that server problem is driving me nuts...