Crazy idea? Maybe so... 383 Stroker?

Ares596ZP

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Well I have a 1995 Bayliner 2050LS with a 5.0L 220HP with an Alpha 1. Now it runs great and all that. However in the future, when the 5.0L gets tired, old and needs a rebuild. I was thinking of swapping in a 350 but doing a build up on it before it goes in. I wanted to rebuild the 350, bore and stroke it to a 383 with supporting modifications. Heads, intake, carb, cam, pistons, rods, and crankshaft. Now I from what I understand the 350 fits fine in the boat, however would the boat be able to support a built 383 stroker? I wanted a minimum of 400 crank HP. Any comments, questions or otherwise?
 

pinbodean

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Re: Crazy idea? Maybe so... 383 Stroker?

Sorry to say, there is absolutely no way an Alpha will stand up to that kind of HP. The explosion would probably be cool, though.

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Ares596ZP

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Re: Crazy idea? Maybe so... 383 Stroker?

Is there a max HP that the Alpha will stand up to? So I know how hard to build the next motor?
 

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Re: Crazy idea? Maybe so... 383 Stroker?

300 HP is generally the accepted limit for an Alpha. If you have a real easy throttle hand you might coax a bit more out of it, but it's not recommended. 400 HP is about the max for a stock Bravo drive. I'd stick with a nice stock 350 rebuild that will yield 260-280 HP. Anything else requires an extremely fat wallet.

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Ares596ZP

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Re: Crazy idea? Maybe so... 383 Stroker?

Disappointing, I was kind of hoping to see a little more HP out of it. Well I could do a mild 350 and call it a day, shoot for high 200’s. I have a bad habit of modifying the vehicles I own, so maybe it is better than I am shot down early in this project idea. LoL. Thanks pinbodean!
 

Mkos1980

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Re: Crazy idea? Maybe so... 383 Stroker?

Theres a guy over on speedwake.com pushing alot of ponies through an alpha to mid 70's If your easy it will survive for a little bit. Heck back in the 80's the 454's were alphas.
 

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Re: Crazy idea? Maybe so... 383 Stroker?

I know several people in my area who run alpha's behind 400+ horsepower. I'll be one of them within another week or so (If I can ever get the time out of the office to finish all the details and swap engines out). There are others on here that do as well.

My understanding from doing my own homework before starting on my current project / toy is as follows... (Note that this is not from my personal experience but is based on the experience of others... I tend to find that "common wisdom" holds to a point, but when you dig into the details, there is typically a lot more lattitude for modifications then people think.)

The alpha drive is much more likely to hold up to more horsepower in a lighter boat. Mine's an 18', balsa-cored mod-v Checkmate with a pad, and will weigh a little over 2000 pounds fully loaded, gassed-up and running down the river with the new engine in it. On speed, I'm getting 55-60 now with a lightly modified 4.3 and am looking for mid 70's with the stroker set-up. Once you approach upper 70's blowout becomes an issue with the alpha drive (basically prop cavitates / loses hold due to low pressure zone created by the gearcase pushing through the water).

I'm installing a "mild" pro built 383 stroker... I started by buying a complete used 350 package and taking the block to an accomplished marine / race engine builder who happens to be local. At this point the original gm / mercruiser parts that are part of the new set up would fit in a shoe box... everything else is aftermarket / performance or in a couple cases new (ie. water pump).

The (marine) engine builder I used said the drive should hold up as long as I kept good lube in it, checked it often and didn't do too much of things like catching air jumping big wakes under heavy throttle...

bottom line is this, the more horsepower you push through any gearbox the sooner / more likely it is to come apart and the faster the contact surfaces are going to wear. Propper set-up, tolerances, lubrication and heat removal become more important...

I've got a spare drive in case I frag the first one and enjoy "playing" with this kind of thing or wouldn't be doing it.

The last point I'll make is that most of the stroker engines built for "mild" street rod applications have bottom ends in them that won't hold up near as long in a marine application as a stock engine. I was told that if I didn't go with a good forged crank, rods, etc... have it carefuly balanced, add a good oil cooler, run good synthetic oil after break in, etc... that the engine's lifetime would be limited if I ran it hard...

The other question you want to ask yourself is if your hull will be stable at higher speeds or if it will get scary, and whether or not you want to take the chance...

Is that what you're looking for?

Chances are that if you go with a good, stock configuration vortec era 350, add a good aluminum intake and carb, aluminum manifolds (weight loss where it counts!), it'll make a big difference already.

Do some searches on here and other places, there's some good information if you dig for it...
 
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