"Cross-Flow" vs "Looper" What's the difference and which is

wuzafed

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I have a 1995 90hp Evinrude "cross-flow" and a 1995 130 Johnson "looper". Other then the hp rating I understand that inside they are totally different motors. What is the major difference? Fireing order? Is one built for speed and the other for power? Is one considered a "comercial" graded motor and the other a "consumer" grade.<br /> I'm just trying to figure out why OMC makes two types of motors that cover the same hp ranges. Does one have problems the other dosen't? <br /> Are there things I should "watch out for" with one v.s. the other? Thanks
 

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Re: "Cross-Flow" vs "Looper" What's the difference and which

Re: "Cross-Flow" vs "Looper" What's the difference and which

The looper is a more modern design. Just about all 2strokes (motorcycles, chainsaws, etc.) are loopers now. Crossflow motors have a big deflector on the piston top which pushes the incoming fuel/air towards the top of the cylinder, so that it doesn't just go out the exhaust port. Loopers (Schnurle loop) achieve the same effect by more sophisticated methods - they aim the intake ports, etc.. <br /><br />I belive I am correct in saying that OMC loopers are more efficient and powerful (per cubic inch) than the crossflows. However, since the crossflow designs are older, OMC's had more experience with them & they typically are simpler and MAYBE based on both factors, more reliable. It is true that the commercial engines tend to be crossflows.<br /><br />Big outboards are unusual two-strokes in that there's the requirement for trolling - which means they have to produce tractable very low end power. I'm not sure how the manufacturers do that with a looper. Loopers count on gas momentum to get the flows going the way they want, and the momentum's very much lower at trolling speed. It would make sense that a crossflow might be a better 'broad powerband' motor (in theory).
 

wuzafed

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Re: "Cross-Flow" vs "Looper" What's the difference and which

Re: "Cross-Flow" vs "Looper" What's the difference and which

Thanks Ledgefinder<br /> If i understand you correctly the crossflow would be the better of the two for long hours of slow running (trolling and other ideling type conditions) As for "crusing at speed" the looper is probably better. If that's the case I'm "good to go". The 90 crossflow is on my fishing boat and I spend a lot of time with the engine running but once I get to the fishing grounds its barely above an idel. Its more into and out of gear action, rather then "running". The looper, on the other hand, is on "mama's" boat and she likes to "keep moving", if you know what I mean. The looper is our little crusing boat. Thanks again ledgefinder
 

wuzafed

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Re: "Cross-Flow" vs "Looper" What's the difference and which

Re: "Cross-Flow" vs "Looper" What's the difference and which

Though I'd give this a "bump" to see if anyone else had a comment regarding the differences in the two motors.<br /> Thanks
 

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Re: "Cross-Flow" vs "Looper" What's the difference and which

Re: "Cross-Flow" vs "Looper" What's the difference and which

Advantages of Schnuerle loop:<br />Higher power/torque because of better delivery ratio,lower fuel consumption and emissions<br /><br />Advantage of cross flow:<br />Superior performance at lower speed and small throttle.<br /><br />Nordy
 
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Re: "Cross-Flow" vs "Looper" What's the difference and which

Re: "Cross-Flow" vs "Looper" What's the difference and which

wuzafed,<br /><br />As you've read, both are somewhat of a compromise. <br /><br />The old crossflows enjoyed an excellent reputation for durability.<br /><br />The newer loopers are just as durable, just a little more efficient at higher rpm's.
 

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Re: "Cross-Flow" vs "Looper" What's the difference and which

Re: "Cross-Flow" vs "Looper" What's the difference and which

Hello.<br />Have a look at this :<br />www.maxrules.com/fixtheory2.html<br />This is only to show a picture of crossflow ,looper and direct fuel injection.I have no idea who this master tech is
 

wuzafed

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Re: "Cross-Flow" vs "Looper" What's the difference and which

Re: "Cross-Flow" vs "Looper" What's the difference and which

Thanks a lot for the info guys<br /><br /> Rolmops - That was very informative website, thanks a lot!<br /><br /> djohns19 - Again, I appreciate your input! Just a quick question. In your opinion is my 95 130 Johnson one of the "newer" ones or is something 2000+ newer? Thanks
 
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