cruising and top speed

gestut1

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Hoe does one figure out the top speed and best crusing speed/rpm, time to plane, 0-30 etc for a boat as i cannot find any numbers. i will have a 2011 monterey 204 fs with merc 4.3 mpi/220 hp with alpha 1.
 

Snobike Mike

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Re: cruising and top speed

Boattest dot com probably has a full write up on your boat.
 

dsiekman

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Very good question. Short of finding the info online or installing a fuel flow monitor and gps, I'm not sure there is a good answer for most economical cruising speed.
 

dsiekman

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just listen for that sweet spot. every boat has one

You mean when the kids stop yelling, "faster! faster!" and the wife hasn't given the "you're going too @#$ fast, SLOW DOWN!" look? That sound???:D
 
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Re: cruising and top speed

well for me cruising speed it top speed because i want faster. but i will find my cruising speed this year.
 

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Cruising speed is mostly dictated by engine RPM. That motor will be singing nicely at 3200 to 3500 RPM which will put it right at it's best volumetric efficiency and likely have the boat cleanly on-plane. More than that and you'll be pushing it past its sweet spot and using more gas. Less, you'll probably be using a lot more gas.
 

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You mean when the kids stop yelling, "faster! faster!" and the wife hasn't given the "you're going too @#$ fast, SLOW DOWN!" look? That sound???:D

LOL. That is exactly how I calibrate my best cruising speed!! :D
 

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Re: cruising and top speed

no, that problem is solved with the volume button on the stereo (unless you install ejector seats).

Actually, you nailed it. Good one.

You mean when the kids stop yelling, "faster! faster!" and the wife hasn't given the "you're going too @#$ fast, SLOW DOWN!" look? That sound???:D
 

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Re: cruising and top speed

Cruising speed is mostly dictated by engine RPM. That motor will be singing nicely at 3200 to 3500 RPM which will put it right at it's best volumetric efficiency and likely have the boat cleanly on-plane. More than that and you'll be pushing it past its sweet spot and using more gas. Less, you'll probably be using a lot more gas.

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Re: cruising and top speed

Cruising speed is mostly dictated by engine RPM. That motor will be singing nicely at 3200 to 3500 RPM which will put it right at it's best volumetric efficiency

might be confusing terms... For best volumetric efficiency, you need 100% wide open throttle. Its a ratio of how much air is going into your engine, vs theoritical max amount based on displacement. (a 5.7l engine sucking in 5.7l of air is 100% volumetric efficient, which is essentially impossible without a turbo or some really clever tricks of the intake, which are only good at very specific RPM's) A throttle plate destroys volumetric efficiency, that is its purpose, to throttle the engine.

In terms of VE, the absolute best engine is one that runs at 100% output all the time, and doesn't even have a throttle plate in the way to slow down the air. That is the reason VE isn't generally talked about in terms of economy, because you generally don't have the luxury of sizing an engine perfectly to the load. In most real world applications you need a throttle plate.

The OP's engine is maybe around 30% VE at partial throttle steady state 3200 rpm, and maybe 85% VE at WOT max rpms.
 

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Max RPM is 4400-4800 RPM. You should select a prop that allows you to obtain that range and this will be your maximum speed. Cruise speed is usually considered to be 1/2 to 2/3 of max speed for pleasure boats. For instance a bass boat might reach a top speed of 70 mph with a cruise speed of 35. Pleasure boats typically have top speeds in the 40-45mph range and cruise nicely at 28-32 mph. Typically you want your engine to be running at the peak of the power arc at cruise speed. This will produce the least amount of stress on the engine and provide good fuel economy. I'll guess but I think your peak should be around 3400 rpm.

Edit: I wasn't too far off on my guess.. Check out this link : http://www.mercurymarine.com/engines/engine-tests/mercruiser/
 

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Re: cruising and top speed

Best cruising speed/rpm will depend on the whole boat combo, from the hull, weight, engine output, prop ratio, outdrive ratio, etc. For most smaller pleasure boats, a light cruising speed is as little throttle as you have to apply to stay nicely on plane. Some boats can stay on plane with little throttle and at fairly low speeds, others can not. From that point on up, some boats really go down in mpg when you start pressing the throttle where others don't. Really depends on the whole combo and the only real way to find out for yourself is with a fuel flow gauge.

There are calculators like this one you can use to figure out top speed and rpm at cruise, etc but you have to guess as to what prop slip % is.

http://www.go-fast.com/Prop_Slip_Calculator.htm
 

Sharp Shooter

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Re: cruising and top speed

My pleasure boat doesn't really have a quote on quote best cruising speed. lol

And the best way to figure out top speed is take a GPS so you can eliminate the speculation.
 

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might be confusing terms... For best volumetric efficiency, you need 100% wide open throttle. Its a ratio of how much air is going into your engine, vs theoritical max amount based on displacement. (a 5.7l engine sucking in 5.7l of air is 100% volumetric efficient, which is essentially impossible without a turbo or some really clever tricks of the intake, which are only good at very specific RPM's) A throttle plate destroys volumetric efficiency, that is its purpose, to throttle the engine.

In terms of VE, the absolute best engine is one that runs at 100% output all the time, and doesn't even have a throttle plate in the way to slow down the air. That is the reason VE isn't generally talked about in terms of economy, because you generally don't have the luxury of sizing an engine perfectly to the load. In most real world applications you need a throttle plate.

The OP's engine is maybe around 30% VE at partial throttle steady state 3200 rpm, and maybe 85% VE at WOT max rpms.

You are correct. I should have worded it differently. My point was that the engine has a sweet spot that's a function of it's tune. It'll be in that RPM range because that's where the engine has the least pumping losses (for a given throttle opening).
 

dsiekman

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Re: cruising and top speed

Actually, I have noticed that with my setup - twin TBI 5.0's - 3200 gives a fairly dull hum. Around 34-3500 she starts to have a little more pronounced whine (I like it!). Beyond that she starts to scream and I swear you can see the fuel gauge dropping. She likes to be ridden hard, just not too hard. 3200 gives me around 30 knts. At 3500 I'm too busy keeping an eye on the wife to notice the speed as I slowly ease the throttles up!
 

gestut1

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Re: cruising and top speed

Max RPM is 4400-4800 RPM. You should select a prop that allows you to obtain that range and this will be your maximum speed. Cruise speed is usually considered to be 1/2 to 2/3 of max speed for pleasure boats. For instance a bass boat might reach a top speed of 70 mph with a cruise speed of 35. Pleasure boats typically have top speeds in the 40-45mph range and cruise nicely at 28-32 mph. Typically you want your engine to be running at the peak of the power arc at cruise speed. This will produce the least amount of stress on the engine and provide good fuel economy. I'll guess but I think your peak should be around 3400 rpm.

Edit: I wasn't too far off on my guess.. Check out this link : http://www.mercurymarine.com/engines/engine-tests/mercruiser/
thanks for the link, so it looks like the sweet spot of the engine regardless what you have is 3000 rpm.. i might have to go sith ss laser prop or something
 

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Re: cruising and top speed

While I agree these engines are typically efficient in that RPM range, and so are most runabouts, I believe it is more about hull efficiency than engine efficiency. The RPM just happens to line up around that same hull "sweet spot" Look at heavy cruisers and they tend to be more efficient closer to 4000 RPM, and fast rides sometimes at 2500. Almost always this is around 25 - 35 MPH.

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Re: cruising and top speed

V-hull I/O's typically like to cruise in the 25-30mph range. Faster than minimum planing speed and able to a little more hull out of the water, but not so fast that you are pushing the "wall".

My 18' with 4.3 4bbl was happiest just over 30mph @ 3300-3500RPM.
 
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