Crushing my daughters dream

Tim Frank

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Hockey is an expensive sport, but nothing says that enjoyment of it has to be in direct proportion to the $$ expended.
At 14 YO, if the elite programs are not already calling you, it will likely be a recreational activity for you....not a vocational one.

Since the OP weighed in with an online name "Backyard hockey", I will weigh in with a Canadian perspective.
Backyard hockey is not to be underrated.
Families and neighbours cooperating and sharing work and organizational tasks can make for some pretty high-level stuff.

Here is a cooperative effort in one neighbourhood.

Much of this "travel team" stuff is peer pressure and keeping up with the Joneses.
In this case, the peer pressure is to get ice time on this ""rink of dreams".

As Crocodile Dundee might have said...."now that's backyard hockey~~".
All close to home...and not a crushed dream in sight. :)


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OP here.....blown away with all the thoughts.

Some more random thoughts from me:

Tripsharing is good, but this would be our first year with this group so we are not tight with anybody yet. Also, we are talking about teenage girls, so hockeydad here would have to be in one room while girls in another. Lessening savings. And this team likes nice hotels for the team. I could find a decent chain for 30% less.

I am a big believer in the word "no". I think using it while the kids were toddlers has been critical in them being great kids today.

The Admiral thinks our sports culture is warped. Forgot to mention this very big problem.

Emony-Had a similar playhouse issue. Got it done, but a little late.

NYBO and Pointer94: I completely agree. Kids sports way overblown and a business. I used to laugh at parents doing travel unless the kid was a prodigy. Now look at me! There is a national travel team in the area. It' mid Sept and they have already gone on two trips and have played 13 games. Daughter didnt make that cut but that is her goal. They are on the ice 6 days a week. No way on that one. The travel part of that one is 5 figures. Then add the ice fees.

I did have a talk with my daughter tonight. She understands. We will talk again tomorrow (she has to be at the HS at 6:20 am for a volleyball tourney, but thats a another story). I dont think I'll be doing an insane amount of driving this winter. I feel better. Thanx.
 

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And since you mentioned volleyball, that was the travelling team my daughter was on, lol. Rather "off the subject", but prior to my daughter entering middle school, I didn't know anything about girl's volleyball outside of the "picnic" version I have played as have many others. Wow, did I get an education. That's a truly awesome sport with a ton of athlectism and strategy. It's quickly catching up to and maybe surpassing "fast-pitch-softball" as the "go to" girls sport around here. If you haven't watched a high school girl's volleyball game (or college, but usually harder to find) take a trip and watch one. It's really cool. Having raised a daughter (and a son), I think it's really neat that there are true athletic sports for girls. It didn't always used to be that way.

@Tim, wow you guys in the Great WHite North really do take your hockey serious, eh? That's so awesome that a neighborhood built a hockey rink. Seems rather surreal to a guy that surrounds himself with heat, humidity and sand, but still....really cool!
 

Tim Frank

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@Tim, wow you guys in the Great WHite North really do take your hockey serious, eh? That's so awesome that a neighborhood built a hockey rink. Seems rather surreal to a guy that surrounds himself with heat, humidity and sand, but still....really cool!

How do you measure the community-building that something like that accomplishes? Or the impact on young minds?....i.e. if you work as a team anything is possible.
These parents have a shift schedule for maintenance and supervision....and the kids are drafted as well.

I particularly like the mini Zamboni.... :)
 

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I highly question the validity of these so called travel teams. I have friends who are high school coaches who had to cut some of these national travel team players from the high school team. The parents went nuts. It is about money not talent. It is a business and someone is making a living off all the fees. I have had other friends that paid enough money in these programs for the daughters to get scholarships that they could have paid for their college education. Not an exaggeration. I also have friends whose kids are in the third grade playing hockey all over the country. Seriously I have a hard time hearing how much they love it. They are 8, and the cost is THOUSANDS of dollars for each kid, and then comes baseball season.

It is one thing for you or your wife to make reasonable sacrifices, but if it impacts the rest of the family I would see that as a problem. Lets face it scouts will find talent. Heck they find shortstops in the jungles of Ecuador who never played with anything but a rock rolled up in an old sock and an old broom handle. And to think that only kids who hav eparents who can afford such programs have talent is silly.

To deny your kids opportunity is wrong, but can the local team provide the lessons and joy of sport without the expense? Only you can establish that value. I would make huge sacrifices for a college education, but my experiences with these teams would lead me to not let my kids participate if begged by the coach and it was free. My day is coming my kids are 3 and 5...

Either way I wish you the best with your decision...


^^^^^^THIS TIMES ONE THOUSAND...

I consider myself an expert on this, I have been a Hockey Official for more then 15 years and Head Coached Varsity at the High School level for 5, a short time but I grew tired of the competition of being a High School Coach who had to compete with my kids schedule on their travel teams, finally I drew up team rules that clearly stated that the High School Varsity team was 1st priority, missing 2 games in a season is grounds for dismissal from the team, you would have thought I had taken a small child hostage, immediately I had parents withdrawling kids from the program, we had a tough year and the next year we almost won the state championships, guess what, all those kids that were to good to give their High School Priority came back, their parents were happier, I never said they could not play on other teams only that High School was number 1, of course if you got injured playing on another team and missed 2 High school games because of that injury you were dismissed from the team as well, lifes tough, its tougher if you are stupid.

I used to believe that traveling teams were great for kids, but anymore they have become a business for older hockey guys to support themselves, of course the other side is that they have created a business using their skills and to be honest there is nothing wrong with that, but the simple fact is that people think that the more hockey their kid plays the better they will get and that is simply a yes and no, yes they need to play as much as possible but they need to have good leadership and coaching, I know kids that play on three different teams with three different coaches and coaching styles learning three different systems, what exactly are you expecting the kids to learn and how is this going to teach them anything? Think about it lets say you sent your kid to high school knowing that your kid had three different english 1 classes with three different teachers teaching three different ways? do you seriously think your kid is going to be an English major? I bet your kid goes on to College and studies Math because he/she has no freaking clue about English!

Look I think that in the right situation if you believe that this is good for your child go ahead and give it a shot but be realistic, don't go into this thinking that your child is going to be the next Wayne Gretsky, go into it with your child in mind, watch the coaches, their dedication to your child will tell you everything you need to know about the program they have and if its right for your child, understand that in this environement your child will become knowledgeable in Sniping, you probably think thats getting a top shelf shot from the circle but its not, sniping is what other programs do to try to lure top kids from competing programs.

The whole system makes me sick anymore and I am happy that I left it behind.
 
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Well how about an update ...she played for local HS team. Had a great time. Made friends who are in walking/biking distance. Was probably # 5 player on team as a freshman. We are in a major metro hockey area and she certainly played against a couple of future Olympians and many future Div 1 players. Made it to the state finals which was played at an arena all of you know that seats about 22,000. And we we never more than 50 miles from home...DAD WINS!
 
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Awesome!! God job, Dad :)
 

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It really was "backyard hockey". Well big backyard anyway. Worked out well and sounds like everyone won. Go Dad!
 
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