csm in a blender

[fngboater]

ok im just trying something. i cant find 1/4" chopped fibers around here locally so i have been cutting them with scissors myself. Wow that takes a long time and wears out my hands.

i took some of my scrap csm and 24oz combo mat and threw it in a blender...now it looks like cotton candy.nice and fluffy and very fine. question is would that still be good for making peanut butter?

has anybody tried this before?

 

[Decker83]

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IMHO I would not do this. It will make the PB very inconsistent and hard to smooth out.
I would think it would not be as strong because the fibers will be all bunched up and not interlaced with each other
like the chop strand fibers would be.

You can go to us composites and order a 4LB tub for 11.50 + shipping.

 

[Woodonglass]

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Nope, not a good idea, for all the above reasons.

 

[74bayliner]

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what city and state you live in, we can find some companies nearby that would ship you 1/4" milled fibers, or ebay

 

[fngboater]

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well that sucks... thought i may have been on to something.
i still may just make a test batch for s#!ts and giggles.
would milled fibers be ok instead of 1/4" chopped for makin pb because i can get plenty of that around here. if nothing else ill probably end up just getting some shipped from us composites.
im in Biloxi MS

 

[Woodonglass]

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You can use it but the chopped fibers would be better.

 

[74bayliner]

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Biloxi Ms, looks like you have a Compositesone facility in Mobile Alabama. 1 hour 5 minutes away... call them up and ask them how much it would be to ship you milled fibers, if not you can ask them just the price and drive down and pick it up...
only problem is they are a bulk supplier so you have to buy the whole box (50lb worth) at 1.662 a pound...
sorry i guess that doesnt help much.

 

[oops!]

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actually, what you whipped up in a blender .....you pay a lot of money for in a store.
i cant remember right now what they call it at this second....it is a milled fiber of a type, and looks like cotton.

that type of filler will work on small repair areas. ie filling holes or spot filling, as a general thickened resin for doing a large area it can be used but for the reasons listed above,,,,it is not the best or even recommended.

the 1/4 inch short strands are avtually very thick compaired to standard glass fiber.. if you are ordering.....get some milled fibers as well...but specify it comes in a powder.

if you use a 25% resin (already catylized) and about a 35 percent milled fiber and the rest chopped 1/4 strands.....you will have a really good structural filler.

 

[93bayliner1800]

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The thing with compositesone is you have to have an account. Took me almost two weeks to get an account setup. But I did save over 200the bucks on resin and hazmat and shipping fees....also I had to buy a whole gallon of MEKP....that's enough to Hardin 100 gallons at 1%! Lol

 

[oops!]

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comp one's resin is suggested to cat at 2%....so its only enough to do 50 gals.. thats 10 5 gal pails.
enough to do 3 full restos.....

so you have some more boat buying and fixing to do......

 

[fngboater]

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thanks guys i didnt realize that there was one that close. composites one ill have to check out. but the account deal...do i have to be a reseller for that? also 93bayliner where is your resin made? Mine is made in tennessee(i think the place is called advanced plastics inc or something) I am just wondering if the place that i get it from is getting it from composites one.

i did make some peanut butter out of the cotton candy that i made...i didnt have any clumping or mixing issues. seemed pretty nice.

oops i see your talking percentages again 25%resin 35%milled fiber(which i bought today) and the rest 1/4" strands. is that 45%?
give me an example...in ounces i am having a hard time understanding this(duh)

 

[oops!]

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ok.....im a canadian.....so i use the metric system ....it is far easier than the imperial system.

here is the full recipe

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=507690

ok.....now.....

first off......take some resin and put it in a measuring bucket and add 2% of mekp.

using the metric system is so easy if you have a leiter...of resin...(close to a quart)
that is one thousand ml....so if you add 20 ml (a wee bit more that a drop for one ml) that will be 2% ratio....and the manufacturers specification for the resin.

i have a shot glass with the ml's on the side. it is a very easy tool to work with.

ok...now....i mix the filler by volume. so if you have a lieter of resin ....i would add the same amount of 1/4 inch short strand fibers.
then after that is mixed....i would add 2 liters of milled fibers....a powder....(2 quarts)

and just mix the carp out of it.......remember that the resin is allready catilysed.....so your mixing time is less than 5 mins...i use a egg beater on a drill.....

ok....the amounts i have given you will really make a lot of filler, and i doubt that you would be able to mix it and use it fast enough.
so dont make any where this amount at one time.

the basic is.....if you had a quart of resin add the same amount of short strand....and double the amount of powder filler.

now...the link i gave you above is for a very strong structural filler.....

there are different fillers for different uses......some fillers are for fairing.... and some are for bedding.
the sanding filler has alot of micro bubbles in it and no short strand.

actually what i think ill do is make a new, filler thread with all the three types of filler

 

[fngboater]

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yep make another thread for the different types of pb to usefor different situations and make it a sticky too. that would help lots. thanks again.

 

[93bayliner1800]

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Yes oops is correct...I was going by what 435 resin says to mix at 1%the on side of container. Glad to know to mix new stuff at 2%the so thanks oops. Not sure where mine is made though....no I do not have bto be a reseller. I paid 97the bucks for 5 gallon bucket....bought 2. And it was 38.00 for gallon of MEKP. Anyone know where I can get a fiberglass roller on Monday? Does west marine sell them? Wish I could find closer. Def do not want to ha e to drive all way back to compositeone! Cannot believe I forgot to get it!!!

 

[Yacht Dr.]

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Just me here putting in my 2 coins ...

Never Ever Mix your Poly resin with MeKP Before you mix your fillers ...

Make/Mix your fillers Before you Cat them with MEKP ..

We are talking POLY..NOT EPOXY ..

You MIX EPOXY First before you add fillers or glass..

Poly is different ..

YD.

 

[Teamster]

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I think it's awesome that yous put CSM in a blender!!!!

One time I used a girlfriends iron to wax my skis,.................She left not long after,...lol,....

 

[74bayliner]

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Can i get a strawberry smoothie with extra glass shards please

 

[oops!]

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Just me here putting in my 2 coins ...

Never Ever Mix your Poly resin with MeKP Before you mix your fillers ...

we have had this conversation before.....what you are suggesting is AGAINST manufacturers instructions on properly using the product's ((source,,,,cook composites (parent company to) composites one "cook book"))

if you mix in the mekp after you have added the fillers, it will be impossible to get a proper resin/mekp mixture.
in fact.....you would be catylizing the filler and not the resin.

this is another industry example of long used methods being proven incorrect by testing with proven data.

methods like hot coating.....resin coating....hot batches...
all of these methods have been proven to be a far weaker final product than the manufacturers specs require.

 

[fngboater]

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we have had this conversation before.....what you are suggesting is AGAINST manufacturers instructions on properly using the product's ((source,,,,cook composites (parent company to) composites one "cook book"))

if you mix in the mekp after you have added the fillers, it will be impossible to get a proper resin/mekp mixture.
in fact.....you would be catylizing the filler and not the resin.

this is another industry example of long used methods being proven incorrect by testing with proven data.

methods like hot coating.....resin coating....hot batches...
all of these methods have been proven to be a far weaker final product than the manufacturers specs require.

Well I added the hardner first and seemed to have a good mixture
i use a homemade mixer on my drill. I mix a little less hardner. I work fast. And try to make sure to have all my ducks in order
plus I feel that anything I do on this boat is better than the factory did to begin with

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: csm in a blender

we have had this conversation before.....what you are suggesting is AGAINST manufacturers instructions on properly using the product's ((source,,,,cook composites (parent company to) composites one "cook book"))

if you mix in the mekp after you have added the fillers, it will be impossible to get a proper resin/mekp mixture.
in fact.....you would be catylizing the filler and not the resin.

this is another industry example of long used methods being proven incorrect by testing with proven data.

methods like hot coating.....resin coating....hot batches...
all of these methods have been proven to be a far weaker final product than the manufacturers specs require.

I dont know where you are getting this information..

I have Never heard of Mixing Resin with MEKP Before you add your fillers. Again.. we are NOT talking about Epoxy where you Need to Mix your resins together before the filler agent is applied..

Well I added the hardner first and seemed to have a good mixture
i use a homemade mixer on my drill. I mix a little less hardner. I work fast. And try to make sure to have all my ducks in order
plus I feel that anything I do on this boat is better than the factory did to begin with

Again..this Is a Bad Idea .. do not Whip your Poly with a mixer ! Ever ! ..

I am right...

YD.

PS. If you want I can give you the Sources ..

http://www.uscomposites.com/cinfo.htm

Talk to the reps there..they will say Mix ..then add the MEKP ..

Talk to the reps Here ... Oh..they are not Composites One ! .. but NOT a part of CCP at ALL !! .. just a Distributor ..
http://www.compositesone.com/contact_us.htm 800-621-8003

Ask them what you should do with resin and fillers...Nobody there will suggest adding MEKP to resin prior to mixing a filler.

CCP .. ask for Travis.. you call him up and ask him if you Need to Cat resin Before you put your fillers in there ..

Please Correct me if I am wrong....but Please do not Ban or Discount what I am saying just because its what you are used to hearing....

I AM RIGHT !! PERIOD !! ..

So now do I get the Modded Ban Hammer on this post ? .. or are some of you guys going to accept what I am suggesting ...

YD.