Dennis Miller goes nuclear on Harry Reid

Haut Medoc

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Because it's just basically 'lip service'......
I do believe the Dems want our defeat in Iraq, just to bolster their political position......
It's like the kid who was outside the Wallingford post office gathering signatures for impechment....
When he asked why I wouldn't sign, I said it was a waste of time & effort......
So he asked how many more wars did I want the US to start.....
I said as many as it takes to defeat the Islamo-fascists......
I told him that what he was doing probably made him feel all warm 'n fuzzy, 'cause he was 'doing good', but he was wasting his time.....;):cool:
 

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Don't go puttin facts and quotes into it... we want to demonize the guy so just go along with it!


OK. :p

Watch out for t-storms tonight down there. No boat ride for me.
 

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I'm just searching for a bit of clarity here.
A favorite pursuit . . . Kewl.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Harry_Reid_SenateMatch.htm

This seems like a good summary . . . I wouldn't vote for him based on his tax beliefs alone. In fact I don't understand anyone who would vote for higher taxation from any candidate unless I stood to be rewarded by not working . . . Higher taxes slow the economy and causes reduced employment, ultimately hurting those who "redistribution" claims to help. Period, end of story.

BTW, I think neutral is a very weak position and I'll explain once again. This country is run by a strong two party system. You may not like it, but it is. Putting eggs in both parties sacrifices any real influence. This has taken me a long time to understand and even support, but I strongly believe that one should evaluate political parties (even marginal ones) based on the closeness to ones values, ideas etc. The party with the closest resemblance to you should receive all of your votes. If there are ideas or issues that you do not agree with within that party of choice, you should vote within the party to support candidates who agree with you and work within those parties to change it. If you or the party switches gears, then you should reevaluate and switch parties if necessary.

This has been called stupid, as some will say that "I vote for the man, not the party". The man does not matter, his/her policies and Congressional votes, vetos etc. do . . .
 

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I don't consider "vehemently opposed to both" as neutrality, QC :p

When someone comes along with a platform of tax reform, term limits & total re-work of campaign financing - that's the guy with the best chance of getting my vote.
 

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I don't consider "vehemently opposed to both" as neutrality, QC :p

Agreed: Stevieray, you are just defining yer politics in yer own personal way. Nothing wrong with that.

When someone comes along with a platform of tax reform,

If by tax reform you mean reduction and simplicity that is one of the most important of the Cornservative principles as the power of taxation and complexity give BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS MOST OF THEIR POWER OVER US!!! If ya think a bit: how would the government possibly grow without more taxes? Why would corporations or wealthy people lobby so much, (and gain power from their lobbying) if taxes were very simple?

term limits

May not be necessary if you pay attention to the first matter you raised.

& total re-work of campaign financing

Hope yer not in John McCain's camp. I would restrict it very little, just make it VERY TRANSPARENT. The first amendment was all about political free speech.

- that's the guy with the best chance of getting my vote.

Not a bad list of priorities: Stevieray. Hope ya don't want to surrender to Islam, or yer other priorities may not be soo important after all. Jus' a thought from yer Left Coast bud!! JR
 

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Not a bad list of priorities: Stevieray. Hope ya don't want to surrender to Islam, or yer other priorities may not be soo important after all. Jus' a thought from yer Left Coast bud!! JR

Nope. No worship of anything going on here (except maybe my golf game - since I show up there once a week & I sure spend more than 10% of my income on it) :p
 

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Nope. No worship of anything going on here (except maybe my golf game - since I show up there once a week & I sure spend more than 10% of my income on it) :p

Great Stevieray. Worship is not necessary, unless Sharia law is imposted as per the terms of our surrender negotiated by Mr Reid and Ms Pelosi. Then not prayin' ta Mecca five times per day could cost you yer head, (no big deal: right?). I am a Christian, but not a very 'hard core' one. That said: I'm with you, and I will not worship anyone or anything someone else wants me ta worship. Respectfully JR
 

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That along with Reids approval rating being in the tank at 19%. He is as big a bozo as his predecessor Daschle. For the life of me I can not see how 'critical thinkers' like rolmops can look a prominent leader of the philosphy he chooses and then think there is any validity to that philosphy.

People like Reid, who are in a position to defend that philosphy are.... Well it's really simple. A modern day liberal philosophy can not be defended, that is why all the proponents of it look and sound like complete buffoons.

I think I mentioned this before, but I will try again.
The only philosophy I follow is that of a religious man who tries to heal the world.This is in my understanding the pivotal idea in my life.
Often, liberalism in its fundamental form is close to that idea.
Politicians are not world improvers, they are power mongers. The only reason why they adhere to a certain philosophy is because they cynically use it to give them power.This goes for the left and the right of the isle.
Choosing whom to vote for is always a huge compromise between ideas, ideals and expediency.
The extremes are utterly useless because they do not intend to heal the world,they mean to set the world to their hand.
You think that Harry Reid is disgusting? Just remember,he is not a liberal.He is a politician.
You think that Dennis Miller is great? Just remember, he is a comedian.He is not a conservative. The only reason why he dares to speak his mind is because he does not have any power to back up his words.
In politics the impotent can afford to speak the truth,while the strong can afford to spoil their voter base and gain power for themselves.

I wish we could discuss a statesman and not a politician.
 

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In all fairness to Reid . . . I was in Searchlight a few weeks ago. Anybody from Searchlight would say or do anything to never be sent back there . . . :eek:

Dennis Miller says what he says because he gets paid to, just like Reid. It just so happens that Miller is one of the few paid for spewing common sense, even if it is a little raw at times.

Healing the world starts with defining good values. And, yes, I believe there are logically defensible, "good" values. In fact, I think rolmops knows them well . . . Compassion is sometimes confused with tolerance. Unchecked tolerance requires ignoring those very same values . . . ;)
 

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I think I mentioned this before, but I will try again.
The only philosophy I follow is that of a religious man who tries to heal the world.This is in my understanding the pivotal idea in my life.

Guess this one is over Murky's single brain cell's ability to comprehend. Yer not a Christian, (at least that's what I thought), so could ya help Murky understand this part of yer post?

Often, liberalism in its fundamental form is close to that idea.

I don't know that I have ever seen the "fundamental form" of Liberalism in print. That said: the "applied" corncept of modern Liberalism as used here in the US in 2007 is a movement toward total government power. The power to take money, (taxes), from private parties under corntrol of the state to distribute per agreements with those who supply money to get the Liberal pols elected. The heal the world BS is just warm n' fuzzy stuff that feels good when it rolls off yer tongue.

Politicians are not world improvers, they are power mongers. The only reason why they adhere to a certain philosophy is because they cynically use it to give them power.This goes for the left and the right of the isle.
Choosing whom to vote for is always a huge compromise between ideas, ideals and expediency.
The extremes are utterly useless because they do not intend to heal the world,they mean to set the world to their hand.


The is as close to profound stuff as I've seen you get: Rolmops!!!!!

You think that Harry Reid is disgusting? Just remember,he is not a liberal.He is a politician.

A Liberal Politician: Rolmops. a Cornservative would want to reduce yer taxes.

You think that Dennis Miller is great? Just remember, he is a comedian.He is not a conservative.

A Cornservative comedian: Rolmops

The only reason why he dares to speak his mind is because he does not have any power to back up his words.

Yup.

In politics the impotent can afford to speak the truth,while the strong can afford to spoil their voter base and gain power for themselves.

Very good.

I wish we could discuss a statesman and not a politician.

Totally agree here. Wow, are you abstaining today? I can't ever recall such profound stuff comming outa yer corner!! Great post!!
 

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The Hypocracy you Neocons are exhibiting here is just mind boggling. You go on and on and on in countless other threads about Hollywood-types sticking their noses into politics anytime they say anything that doesn't conform to your myopic Neocon view of the world. Then Ditzy Dennis the stand-up wannabe comes along and says something you like and you can't brown-nose him fast enough or deep enough! SHEESH! :rolleyes:
 

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The Hypocracy you Neocons are exhibiting here is just mind boggling. You go on and on and on in countless other threads about Hollywood-types sticking their noses into politics anytime they say anything that doesn't conform to your myopic Neocon view of the world. Then Ditzy Dennis the stand-up wannabe comes along and says something you like and you can't brown-nose him fast enough or deep enough! SHEESH! :rolleyes:

Not a Neo Con Willy. That said: I for one, luv the Hollywierd Libs lecturin' us on politics. I provides a great example of irrational thought process from some of the biggest hypocrites in America today. It can and does stimulate critical thinkin'. Dangerous fer Libs n' their policies: Willy. Dennis Miller ya say!! Great stuff. Shows fairly coherant thought n' could stimulate critical thinkin' which is good fer Cornservatives n' not sooooooo good fer Liberals. JR BTW: Lib Hollywierd types don't see their business prospects fair sooo well when they open up their mouths!! Dennis is doin' great. Get the message from that Willy??
 

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The Hypocracy you Neocons are exhibiting here is just mind boggling. You go on and on and on in countless other threads about Hollywood-types sticking their noses into politics anytime they say anything that doesn't conform to your myopic Neocon view of the world. Then Ditzy Dennis the stand-up wannabe comes along and says something you like and you can't brown-nose him fast enough or deep enough! SHEESH! :rolleyes:

Willy, When I said that I "It changed my opinion of Miller in 2 minutes" and that "he was right on the money", I meant what I said. That doesn't make me a "hypocrite". It's the liberal mindest indoctrinated into you leftists from birth, that we conservatives have no right to change our opinion of people, and that we are all hitler's offspring. Get over it already!
Miller is a caustic, self-righteous demagog for the highest bidder, that gets paid much more than he is worth for his rants. Granted, he IS good at what he does, but that doesn't mean he is even a make-believe conservative.

Personally, I still cannot believe what he said came from his own, somehow neocon ideology -- only time will tell. Who knows? Maybee you "lost one to the dark side, Luke". LOL


I'll never forget when he ripped into Bush41, either.
But my opinion of him changed because of what he said about the dingy one.Words to us neocons MEAN THINGS, as opposed to all that touchy-feely goop you lefties indulge in ,(sometimes in "groups" too).
He was dead-on the mark, and I could not believe what I was seeing. After he got done with his two minute rant, I was stunned. I just sat there with my mouth open for a while, until it sunk-in. Then i said, "YES!!!", loud enough to wake the dogs.
And your wine wont change a thing about all that.
 

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Murky,for the record,I am a jew. In Judeism on of the pillars of faith is the constant effort to heal the world of its ills in order to prepare for the coming of the messiah.So there you are.
You can find that same principle in early christianity and plenty of other religions.
Liberalism as it has developed in the USA is a sort of capitalistic social democratic idea.Which is very far removed of the Marxist socialist ideas of communism.
The logic in this is obvious. If you see the wealth of many democratic members of our society.If they believed in pure socialism they would share that wealth!
My personal idea of liberalism is that I do not need it,because I try to share my blessings with my community without ideology beyond religion.(Don't worry ,I keep enough for myself).
You say that a conservative would want to lower my taxes?hogwash.
The conservative idea is based on decreasing services and making the bureaucracy smaller.It really means just passing the buck down the bureaucratic ladder to local government which has to pick up all the services that the top no longer provides.I pay less federal taxes,but my local taxes and school taxes and "service fees" and sales tax have drastically increased to the point where in my republican county I pay more taxes now than under the democrats and my overall taxes are higher.

On a different note.Can somebody please tell me why democrats are called liberals?
In Great Britain there are the conservatives,the socialists and the liberal party.
The liberal party is the party of the factory owners and well to do upper middle class.
In other words ,there is a very clear distinction between socialist and liberal.
 

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Murky,for the record,I am a jew. In Judeism on of the pillars of faith is the constant effort to heal the world of its ills in order to prepare for the coming of the messiah.So there you are.
You can find that same principle in early christianity and plenty of other religions.
Liberalism as it has developed in the USA is a sort of capitalistic social democratic idea.Which is very far removed (not really) of the Marxist socialist ideas of communism.
The logic in this is obvious. If you see the wealth of many democratic members of our society.If they believed in pure socialism they would share that wealth! They are trying their darndest. Only hampered by the last few vestiges of people who were educated in the real fundementals of this country.
My personal idea of liberalism is that I do not need it,because I try to share my blessings with my community without ideology beyond religion.(Don't worry ,I keep enough for myself). You say that a conservative would want to lower my taxes?hogwash.

The conservative idea is based on decreasing services and making the bureaucracy smaller.It really means just passing the buck down the bureaucratic ladder to local government (A philosophy I might add is part of the fundemental concept of the Federal Republic) which has to pick up all the services that the top no longer provides.I pay less federal taxes,but my local taxes and school taxes and "service fees" and sales tax have drastically increased to the point where in my republican county I pay more taxes now than under the democrats and my overall taxes are higher.

On a different note.Can somebody please tell me why democrats are called liberals? That is an easy one rolmops. The Blue party has, like in everything else they do, adopted a name which deflects their true agend )In Great Britain there are the conservatives,the socialists and the liberal party.
The liberal party is the party of the factory owners and well to do upper middle class.
In other words ,there is a very clear distinction between socialist and liberal.

xxx
 

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This all goes a long way to deflect the fact that Harry Reid, the senatorial leader of the party that represents your philosphy, is a Buffoon. A buffoon that seemingly is more and more discredited like his predeccesor Dashle. The Dems have to put up people who never bothered to read George Orwell.
 

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Liberalism as it has developed in the USA is a sort of capitalistic social democratic idea.Which is very far removed of the Marxist socialist ideas of communism.
Perhaps only to your blind eyes. Remove the scales.
 

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Murky,for the record,I am a jew.

That is what I thought.

In Judeism on of the pillars of faith is the constant effort to heal the world of its ills in order to prepare for the coming of the messiah.So there you are.
You can find that same principle in early christianity and plenty of other religions.

Hmmmmmm, thanks for the explanation. Since Jesus was born into the Jewish community of Nazereth that makes sense. I would luv ta learn more about yer VERY IMPORTANT religion Rolmops!

Liberalism as it has developed in the USA is a sort of capitalistic social democratic idea.Which is very far removed of the Marxist socialist ideas of communism.
The logic in this is obvious. If you see the wealth of many democratic members of our society.If they believed in pure socialism they would share that wealth!

Pure socialism would have never afforded any opportunity to accumulate wealth: Rolmps! That is why that system fails in the real world. If a system (like capitalism) allows private property; the accumulation of wealth is in a person's self interest. Humans have a tendency to act in their own self interest. Society benifits from the accumulation of wealth (in modern times). Socialism has the problem of motivation as all the productive assetts are owned and corntrolled by the elites in corntroll of the government. That in itself leads to a major problem ya may have heard about: ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS.

My personal idea of liberalism is that I do not need it,because I try to share my blessings with my community without ideology beyond religion.(Don't worry ,I keep enough for myself).
You say that a conservative would want to lower my taxes?hogwash.

Then that politician who calls themselves a 'Cornservative' but is actually a Liberal Rolmops: real simple. BTW Republicans many times are not Cornservative at all, especially in New England. Yer last post was fairly spot on about politicians, n' those unreliable dishonest types must be put out of office by engaged informed voters.

The conservative idea is based on decreasing services and making the bureaucracy smaller.

Agreed Rolmops. Whenever possible the bureacracy should be totally eliminated and the services provided by private enterprize competing with each other. If the service is necessary then demand will be good and the users of the service can pay for the service. That is win win Rolmops. The company providing the service provides jobs where the workers pay taxes, the company pays taxes and the entire tax burden shrinks that was imposed by 'do good' Liberals, (they are actually into total power they want over all aspects of yer life, it has nothin' to do with bein' or doin' good, [that's jus' the sales pitch fer dim wit Democrat voters). The more money ya leave in the private sector Rolmops means more business and more taxes for the government that can then cut taxes further causin' further stimulation of business n' cornsumption. That is capitalism Rolmops. Unlike socialism: IT ACTUALLY WORKS!! That's why I frequently post the question: is Liberalism a mental disorder?

It really means just passing the buck down the bureaucratic ladder to local government which has to pick up all the services that the top no longer provides.

Then ya have the wrong elected local officials Rolmops. Fire 'em!

I pay less federal taxes,but my local taxes and school taxes and "service fees" and sales tax have drastically increased to the point where in my republican county I pay more taxes now than under the democrats and my overall taxes are higher.

Rolmops, the Liberals here on the Left coast act the same way. Yer analysis is flawed. Shift the services to tax payin' private companies that are far more efficient then any government entity can ever be do to human nature that I previously mentioned. Ya need to fire those local pols Rolmops. Is Liberalism a mental disorder?

On a different note.Can somebody please tell me why democrats are called liberals?

'Cause the current crop of Dems nearly uniformly wants to raise taxes, n' grow the government, (BTW if taxes increase the government grows), n' interfere in every aspect of yer life Rolmops, (BTW that interferance is necessary to collect those taxes). If the government is bigger n' more powerfull that diminishes the private sector, (BTW: we are in the private sector), GROWTH OF GOVERNMENT DIMINISHES FREEDOM. Liberalism = the desire for TOTAL CORNTROL. Hope this makes sense to ya 'cause IT'S THE TRUTH: Rolmops. It's actually a simple corncept n' you are obviously quite sharp. I again pose that recurring n' nagging ol' question: is Liberalism a mental disorder?

In Great Britain there are the conservatives,the socialists and the liberal party.
The liberal party is the party of the factory owners and well to do upper middle class.
In other words ,there is a very clear distinction between socialist and liberal.

They all tend towards shifting individual freedom to government corntrol in the name of victimhood: Rolmops. The names are different but the actual distinctions are blurred. Thanks for the discussion. Yer previous post was very good. Respectfully, JR
 

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But if you shrink the gubmint, how will minorities find jobs?......:eek:;)
 
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