Destroyed Volvo gear

HorizonblueDK

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Here is something I would like to show you, that doesn't happen that often.

A friend of mine has a 25 footer with a 280 drive and a 41 diesel engine. The original 40 engine was replaced by a previous owner.

On a trip last year, he heard a loud BANG, stopped off course to check what was wrong. Nothing apparently, so he continued, but not for long, and he had to be towed in, since there was only connection between the engine and propeller for a few minutes after the bang.

He took the drive off, and we dismantled it in my workshop. The first thing we saw was this.



Well ok, he must have hit something in the water, so he found another shaft on ebay.

We dismantled the lower unit, and what we saw, was beyond our imagination.



A tooth was missing, so he went back on ebay and found a gear set, helical cut, instead of straight. I recommended the helical cut, to reduce noise.

We have now assembled the lower unit again, and gone through the shimming process and checked the gear contact pattern and backlash.

First assembled the lower unit with shims, calculated according to the original Volvo manual, and the gear painted with marking dye. Here ready for a test, the propshaft is braked and the bearing race is held down with a home made tool.





After a few turns, in the direction the engine spins, the gear is taken out for inspection.



From what I can see and what the Volvo manual states, the contact pattern is where it should be.



The lower unit is now assembled with new seals. Now that we are working on the outdrive, we have knocked the water pipe in the upper unit out and removed the suspension fork, so that area can be cleaned and greased. Then the boat will be easier to steer.


I don't really have any questions, just wanted to show you a rare sight. You are off course free to ask questions.
 

jimbo_jwc

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Re: Destroyed Volvo gear

Is last pic the shaft that sheared w/coupler on top With machining step/grove , snap ring ,washer ?
 

Nickypoo

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Re: Destroyed Volvo gear

Wow that's pretty crazy!

Thanks for posting a pic of what your wear pattern looks like. I'm working on mine right now and my pattern looked just like that, so that's a relief for me.
 

jimbo_jwc

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Re: Destroyed Volvo gear

Gear piece broke and jammed, seized to shear pinion drive shaft ?
 

HorizonblueDK

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Re: Destroyed Volvo gear

Gear piece broke and jammed, seized to shear pinion drive shaft ?

Hmm, maybe, one can only guess what happened, but sounds plausible. We found a lot of small metal pieces in the lowerunit. Washed it out with diesel fuel.

My freind told me that it happened at approx 18 knots. It was not a pleasant sound.

A weird thing, is that the teeth which is broken, has an "o" marking on it. Look at the picture. It's probably just a coincidence, but still weird.
 

aerobat

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Re: Destroyed Volvo gear

how many hours are on this drive ? is the driveshaft of the 280 drive overall able to handle the high torque of a turbodiesel in a long term ?

interesting pictures !
 

JaseBosto

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Re: Destroyed Volvo gear

I suppose the first thing that came to mind is, why not find a used drive on craigslist or something? People are almost giving them away around here. I picked up a good, clean 280 drive for $400. Had the ability to get a 290 drive for $500 but that involved more driving. 3rd option for me was a freshly rebuilt 270 drive for $995.
 

HorizonblueDK

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Re: Destroyed Volvo gear

how many hours are on this drive ? is the driveshaft of the 280 drive overall able to handle the high torque of a turbodiesel in a long term ?

interesting pictures !

I don't know how many hours this outdrive has on it. But judged from the markings on the propshaft, from the seals, it has been running for some time, maybe 1000 hours. We put the shaft in a lathe and grinded it with very fine sandpaper, to reduce the sharp edges from these markings.

The 280 drive can handle a substantial amount of torque, I don't know how much, but it was originally mated to the 40 turbodiesel engine, which produces 370 Newton Meters. As far as I can see, the internals are similar to the 290 drive, which has been mated to a few powerful engines also.

Off course, the 41 engine that is punishing the outdrive now, has more torque than the old 40. But I wouldn't suspect that as the cause of the damage. That said, I would not put a KAD 300 in front of the drive......
 

HorizonblueDK

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Re: Destroyed Volvo gear

I suppose the first thing that came to mind is, why not find a used drive on craigslist or something? People are almost giving them away around here. I picked up a good, clean 280 drive for $400. Had the ability to get a 290 drive for $500 but that involved more driving. 3rd option for me was a freshly rebuilt 270 drive for $995.

Sounds like you can make a great deal on these drives. Unfortunately, that is not possible in our area. If we can find a good used 280 drive for less than 1000 USD, we are obliged to smile........ And if they have the correct ratio, we have to smile even more.

For some strange reason, the few that sometimes are for sale, never has the correct ratio.....
 

aerobat

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Re: Destroyed Volvo gear

Off course, the 41 engine that is punishing the outdrive now, has more torque than the old 40. But I wouldn't suspect that as the cause of the damage.

good question, nobody can say , maybe its just a wear out.

i,m just wondering because everyday business for these old drives are "old" gasoline engines, and i quess the ?41 penta turbodiesel will have a torque in the region of an injected 5.7 V8 , even when power output of the diesel is due to limited rev capability of course lower.
 

JaseBosto

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Re: Destroyed Volvo gear

Sounds like you can make a great deal on these drives. Unfortunately, that is not possible in our area. If we can find a good used 280 drive for less than 1000 USD, we are obliged to smile........ And if they have the correct ratio, we have to smile even more.

For some strange reason, the few that sometimes are for sale, never has the correct ratio.....

That certainly answers that question. There is such an abundance here, that I've been thinking of buying up another one as a spare....just for the hell of it.
 

GilligansIsland

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Re: Destroyed Volvo gear

It's a shame that the vertical shaft spline coupler never seems to shear as intended. I've seen a few vertical shafts snapped, and only one time that I know of, did the spline shaft coupler do its job and break.

On a separate note, where do you live that they are giving units away? Not a lot of Volvo's near me, that's for sure.
 

JaseBosto

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Re: Destroyed Volvo gear

Im in CT. Not literally giving away but I had 3 different options with the highest being $900. Complete outdrives no transom shield.
 
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