did I suck something up to stall out ????

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Aquasport19.6

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

the noise comming from the starter is kindof like a grinding or grouling noise.. when i took the starter apart it looked good but smelled like something was burning up like burn metal. the magnet looked good along with the brushes. i think the batterys need a charge because they have been trying to start this boat for a while now. Well is it a good idea to go ahead and buy a battery charger instead of taking it to auto zone? well i still have not gotten it to run. i am not sure now if it is getting a spartk can i have my wife turn the key and my unscrew the plugs to see if they are getting a spark to them or is ther a better way to do it? well hope fully the two best days of this boat are not the day i bought it and the day i sell it. Any more sugestions let me know.
 
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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

Hi, as far as the starter it might be the windings or the armature Autozone will usually test it for free. as far as being able to crank the motor while your'e back there you could make an ignition switch by taking 2 aligator clips, 2 lengths of 16 or 14 gauge wire and a toggle switch. connect one clip to the to positive post on the starter solenoid and the other to to the connection with the white wire, which is the neutral switch wire. <br /><br />Mike
 
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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

How about that compression test? If the heads are back on you can now test the compression. Obviously something is still not right, the test might give a bit more indication as to what might be wrong.<br /><br />If you had water in a cylinder, you've probably had water in the crankcase too. Maybe a bearing is rusted up somewhere? I've just learned from personal experience that when a bearing breaks it does a lot of damage. Best check everything out before trying to run the engine, or it could get even more expensive.
 
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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

Most auto parts stores will test for free.... You will need to have a battery charger either way. I always put mine on the charger the day before I plan to work on it... or take it to the lake.. just so I know it's fully charged. <br /><br />Do a Comp test like stevie states.... Make sure your still getting good readings and it's worth goin any farther. If Comp checks out then go lookin for other issues... Post the numbers. Your looking for them to all be in range...
 
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I will be doing a comp check once the batteries are all charged up and i will also be getting a charger along with a spark checker today i will post my results asap thanks for all of the quick replies.
 
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Well i just got done with the compression check. First i took all of the spark plugs out and hooked the comp check up the the top cylinder on the starter side. cranked it up and it read 100, did this to the second cylinder below and it read 95, continued on the to other side and the top one read 100 then on to the last one where it read 95 as well. I just bought two new batteries and they really get the engine cranking over nicely i found out the other batteries were no good. well its a relief that the starter is still good. I am going to try and get teh engine started and see once the engine is warmed up if the comp check will be any different i also am going to attempt to have a spark check done thanks to a spark checking system I just bought a Harbor Freight tools. Well let me know how those readings sit with yall. Thanks again
 
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I found a problem, I was hooking up the spark plug wires and inspecting them at the same time. I noticed in on of the boots that the metal collar was not in there all of the other wires are good along with the boots accept for this one. should the engine still be able to turn over if this is the case. I am still unable to get her to turn over even though the flywhell is turning nicely does not even sound like there is combustion happening if that is even the word to use. I need helP
 
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Ok... lets say this. <br />Turning over=motor turning freely with starter<br /><br />Fire or Firing= spits,stutters,starts, backfires<br /><br />Comp reading are good. Your motor will still turn over with a broken wire. It may however not fire on that one cylinder. You should be able to get the motor to fire up down one cylinder. I would check spark and make sure your getting it.... Then I would see if the cylinders are getting fuel. Are the plugs wet after you turn it over a bit???<br /><br />Check where the wires and see it the metal collar was just pulled into the boot... hold boot and push wire forward. We are talking the plug side right?
 
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Ok, yes the motor turns freely <br /> Does not spit sputter or backfire<br /> Yes the plugs have gas/oil mix on them when pulled after turning engine over. <br /> <br />question is how do you know when the Engine is flooded or not? and would this have anything do do with it not firing up? <br /> i am going to run out and see if the collar was pushed into the whole or if it was never there to begin with. <br />also if i put a wire from my truck (1994 f-150) on to replace this wire would that work. <br /><br />yes we are talking about the plug side. <br />let me go and check the boat out.
 
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Yes the collar was pushed into the boot thanks for saving me the headache and money i gave it another crank and nothing i bought a spark chcek but i am buy my self and it says to have the engine off then connect the checkin tool inbetween the plug and wire then fire up the engine to check for spark but i that is the problem i cannot check fo ra spark because i cannot get it to turn over.
 
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Even more to up date you on. I now have the engine running and sounding great i didnt do anything different i just gave it one more try and she started right up. Now i found that there is water leaking from the lower unit. I notice that it is comming out of the front piece where there seems to be a little nipple, however there is a whole that is supposed to be there and it also has watter comming out of it. along with that there seems to be water comming from the exhaust cover (towards the top) now this is not my main concern, I am not looking at the heads to make sure everything looks great, and find myself looking at the cylinder head cover on the opposite side of the starter and there is water dripping from the bottom of the cover what kind of damage am i looking at if any and i know i need to find out what is causing this probably a leaky head gasket? i am not sure but is there anything that i need to do about this right away like spray wd40 so the flywheel will not lock up again. Experts i need your help before this thing ends up damaging itself. Thanks for all of the help thus far
 
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Also there is water comming from the inside of the propeller is this bad (first boat dont knwo if it is) thanks again
 
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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

First find out where the water is actually comming from. On the head there is a water passage. Is that the gasket that is leaking? It is bolted on to the head. I would try to see if you can just snugly turn those bolts again. If you took it off then it may have not been tight enough/if left on prolly worked loose. Try to tighten it up a bit and see if that helps.NOTE: These are not the head bolts I am talking about. Comp checked out good... So don't mess with the head bolts. <br /><br />All water leaking from the lower unit sounds normal. It is hard to find leaks on the muffs since most times the muffs will not fit exactly on the LU so water will leak out the sides of the muffs
 
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I appreciate the email Itstippy read through it and now think that it could be a possiblity that maybe my exhaust might be leaking as well i will check all of this out today and see what the deal is. (dave) thanks for all of the help so far i do feel like i am making some sort of progress
 
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i read the info on the "Water in Cylinder" and it really helped me out i am going to take a look at the lower unit and i do believe that it could be a simple fix. i am going out to check and tighten up the head cover bolts and see if it makes any difference at all.
 
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OK i am back with some bad news, however i think i can tackle the problem. I hooked to muffs back up to the boat and primed up the fuel bulb gave her a start and she fired right up. I checked the lower unit to see if it was still leaking. From reading the other post on the site i found that the water on the muffs can be a little bit high and cause the lower unit to leak. well i turned the preasure down and now she is leak free with the acception of the head cover. i tightened all of the bolt except for one. it was very loose when i went to tighten it up. I inspected the bolt and found that there was nothing wrong with the bolt itself so i now know that this bolt must have been over tightened some time ago. I started the engine up to make sure that was the same place that the water was comming from yesterday adn man the water threw the bolt out and it way old faithful out of the bolt hole. My question is to i simply get a tap set and tap out the hole a little bit bigger? well that is what sounds logical any suggestions or prep work that needs to be done when dealing with this proceadure would be very helpful.
 
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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

You can tap it out bigger or put a heli-coil in it. Personally... I would tap it out. Be sure to start with smooth sides otherwise you'd go a smuckerin it up more then it is... Be careful as you don't have much clearance to mess it up...also be sure you have a big enough hole on the head to fit the new bolt =o)<br /><br />I wish my head had a bigger hole.... everything it took to get mine goin gave me plenty of head aches... Would have released some pressure!!!<br /><br />Let us know how it goes
 
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Dave JZ, all went well and took about 5 minutes to finish it. I taped it out one size bigger and looks good and tightens to specs and then some. I am in need of some Head cover Gaskets now that mine are shot. I know that this motor was run in salt water but how do you know if the cracker jack ever flushed the engine? i took the head cover gasket off and man there was alot of build up and the gasket looked horrible. I cleaned it off best i could and now i am having a real headache looking for new gaskest that dont come in kits. I found one on Evinrude.com but i cannot add it to my list for some reason. Well i will continue to try and i hope she will run with no probles this time. we will see. thanks for the look out on tapping the hole.
 
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