Displacment Outboard

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OK outboard guys! Here is the stumper. I have read here that outboard engines should not be ran at low to medium R.P.M.s as they coke badly, pull ring lands and otherwise have bad juju unless they are ran near w.o.t.

High RPMs with high prop slip is excessively bad on economy and leads to high engine wear, so.... for those of us who are displacement boat fans (1.34 times the square root of the waterline length equals slow and slower) what are the outboard options?

I have seen several heavy river cruisers (20K to 30K pound class) that were outboard powered. Two of them had to have twenty year old engines on them.

My own personal outboard experience does not involve much slow speed work, yet I have had no coking problem or lube defficiencies in several thousand hours of just putting around. I know that there are lucky fools and I may well be one.

That is the reason I am asking. What would you recommend for producing just enough HP to the water to push a displacement boat to it's natural hull speed? It usually involves 4 to 6 internal combustion HP per ton of displacement.

The flat bottomed cruisers that I am looking at will go semi-planing speeds, which is important when trying to go upstream on the lower Mississippi or other rivers that have 4 to 6 mph currents, so a comfortable excess of power is welcome. We displacment guys just don't want to feed all the horses in the stable if we are only going to use them a few times a year. We would rather travel ten miles on a dollar as compared to one.
 

JB

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Re: Displacment Outboard

A canoe is a displacement boat, so is a big barge. What sort of displacement boat are you concerned with?

Both of the stories are myths, created by people who feel a need to sound like they know what they are talking about. A well maintained outboard will do both without injury.
 

MikDee

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I think the point is WOT rpm, if it is too low (below the recommended range) you are lugging the motor, and giving it maximum fuel, then getting a buildup of excess unburned fuel causing the problems, but at lower speeds this is not as critical, just try to prop down accordingly, so the motor can burn all the fuel it's given at a certain throttle opening.
 

Texasmark

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I know McCullough used to (years ago) have a high torque 14 hp I think and Merc offers a 60 with a high torque gearbox. Both were developed to push toons.

Not that these are what you want, but the idea is to turn a large diameter prop, with a shallow pitch at lower rpm's (high gear ratio....like 2.3:1 or more).

Most outboards are not setup to do this even if you go with a prop dia that will just fit the lower unit and get a shallow prop, the gearbox will not be right (low gear ratio....1.64:1, 2:1 type thing) and it just wouldn't work.

I guess the best thing I could suggest is to investigate the Merc 60 hp with the large lower unit made for pushing heavy loads.

Mark
 

WillyBWright

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Merc pushing outboards are called Bigfoot and Yamaha's are High Thrust. Carboning isn't nearly as much of a problem as back when we were burning petroleum-based 2-stroke oil in leaded gas. I'd look into a 4-stroke.
 

steelespike

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I don't think you will have any coking problem with any modern oil injected 2 stroke run with a quality TCW3 oil.An Evinrude Etec will run all day at low speeds with no ill effects.Of course you need to prop any motor right so max wot rpm is reached at the hulls semi planing speed.
 

External Combustion

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Re: Displacment Outboard

JB:

I am looking at the 10 to 20 thousand pound range. From 30 to 45 feet by 10 feet and a shallow draft. Something akin to a waterborn Winnnebago that I can use as a "home base" for day cruising. Something that I can move a few hundred miles, explore the surrounding area with the day boat and move on to the next location.

Speed is not a consideration as long as the boat will go upstream at 4 to 6 MPH.

Should I add an additional 4 feet and make it a diesel inboard?
 

JB

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Sounds like a job for a large 4 stroke outboard, EC.

Since you will be operating on a river a pair of outboards might be safer.
 

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Re: Displacment Outboard

The Indians out here in Puget Sound have similar big old fishing boats, and most have a couple big old Hondas hung off'em
 
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