Do-it-Yourself survey -- how? Look for what?

tonyjvan

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The experts are here in this forum, so here goes...<br /><br />I want to do a preliminary survey on boats I am interested in buying, and those that look good will have probably have a professional survey done. <br /><br />So what's the best way to check floors, decks and transoms for leaks and wood core rot (or delamination. A small hammer and ears, ice pick, moisture meter, eyeball? <br /><br />My last big boat had a solid hull and wood topsides so I have some experience, but the laminated boats are new to me. <br /><br />What's your advice? Many thanks....<br /><br />Tony (getting too old for project boats) Van
 

JasonJ

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Re: Do-it-Yourself survey -- how? Look for what?

What I have always looked at is its general cleanliness, where it is sitting, and its registration. My thought is if it appears to have been sitting out, exposed to the elements, unmoved for a long time, dirty, and has not been registered in several years, then you can imagine that it has not been cared for. The boat with current registration and has obviously been covered and is clean is probably a better bet. Once I start actually sniffing around, I tap, poke, and prod all over the place. I use my weight to exposed a flexible section of floor. I attempt to move the outboard to expose transom flex. I poke my head up under the dash and look for corroded wiring. I thoroughly look the engine over. I am more suspect of an engine that is sparkling than I am of an engine that has some oil residue on it, especially if the boat is only moderatly clean but the motor is spotless. That tells me there is a leak that they do not want to be seen. A motor that has a bit of residue or basically just looks unwashed is more trustworthy in my book, it shows nothing is trying to be hidden. I make sure the engine runs, and that is starts relatively easy. If they are having to do all sorts of weird things to get it running, or it takes half the day to get it barely running, I am suspect. Especially when they say "it ran great this last weekend". A good running motor always starts fairly easily, they don't go that bad that quickly. I ask for a water test, and if they don't want to do it, I walk. Moisture meter is a god thing, but doesn't always expose a problem. You can have partly saturated foam and stringer and not get a hit on the meter. Looking at how it sits in the water can tell you if the foam is holding water, it will sit lower than it should. I also look at the trailer. A nasty rusty skanky trailer tells me that there is a lack of interest in caring for things. Also, I look at the house and property of the person who owns the boat. If it is a skeevy junky looking place with dead grass, crappy cars, trailer trashy, how can I possibly believe the boat will be well cared for. There is so much more to say on this subject, I'll let others chime in...
 

BillP

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Re: Do-it-Yourself survey -- how? Look for what?

The size and type boat makes a difference.<br /><br />On small glass boats you are looking mostly for cracked glass or soft wood. First thing to do is look for any places water can penetrate. Look for bedding compound (or lack of on fittings). Lack of bedding means water intrusion is possible. Freshwater breeds rot and saltwater inhibits rot. Therefore, a boat that gets used frequently in saltwater has less chance of rot than one sitting out in the rain. The trade off is corrosion instead of rot.<br /><br />Tapping (it's called percussion test in the trade)with a hard mallet is somewhat effective on glass covered wood. You don't hit it hard, but just enough to "sound" it. Soft wood will make a dull sound instead of a sharp sound. Experiment a little and you will get an "ear" for it.<br /><br />Like Jason says, using your weight for flex is another method but some boats flex anyway so you have to watch for spots that flex, not the whole panel. <br /><br />For outboard transoms I rock the motors to see if they flex it.<br /><br />Carry a flashlight and poke your head in every place possible to check for obvious problems. Cracked glass around bulkheads, stringers not glassed fully, bare wood, loose wiring, etc.<br /><br />What type of hardware? Stainless or ? Look for corrosion. <br /><br />Check soft parts...hoses, furnishings, canvas, etc.<br /><br />Motors are another whole topic. Most reputable surveyors do a conditional (structural) survey and they use a qualified marine mechanic to check the engines. The least you should do is get a compression check and sea trial for engines. Run them fast and hard at normal operating temps for at least a 1/2 hr. It will show serious oil pressure or cooling issues. If it is a big motor spend the $$$ and have a shop check everything...it's cheap insurance.
 

tonyjvan

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Re: Do-it-Yourself survey -- how? Look for what?

Some very useful information here. Thanks very much.<br /><br />Tony
 
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