Dockside Service

scorp76

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I have started a new business providing mobile oil change services. Basically, the same thing that wal-mart, jiffy or quick lube can do, I offer from a cargo van. I bring the quick lube service to the customer.

I have just moved to an area on the Florida gulf coast and considering offering this service at local marina's to service boat engines. I have a few questions I am hoping to get help with, call it research I guess.

1.) Anyone here have advice on whether or not this would be a good service to offer?
2.) where to start to get in with the marina's to offer this service?
3.) what considerations should be made with regards to the difference between marine engines and vehicle engines.

I have been told that to change the oil on these marine engines you have to suck the oil out and flush the engine, is this correct? If so I do have the equipment to vacuum the oil out.

Any advice and or opinions would be greatly appreciated. If you live in the Florida panhandle I would be more than happy to offer a great deal on lube services for vehicle or boat in trade for advice.

Thanks,

Brian
 

Silvertip

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Re: Dockside Service

Do you really think the marina that offers the same service is going to let you take their business without a fight? They will likely ban you from the premises. A private marina that does not offer services may allow you on-site but perhaps for a cut of the action. I would also suggest that you have very good insurance. If you spill oil/fuel/chemicals overboard you will see the power of the EPA. And if you spill on the owners boat you will also see the wrath of the owner.
 

scorp76

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Thanks for the reply, I did not know that most marina's offer this service. I do have very good insurance which covers spills and damage to any property. I am familiar with the EPA and their strict standards. I worked offshore on oil rigs for a few years and am quite adept at spill containment and cleanup including in the water.

What about the difference between servicing marine engines vs. vehicles?
 

rodbolt

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Re: Dockside Service

not a bad gig.
for your oil extractor use one named "slurper". works great mine is almost 10 years old now.
can be charged by an air compressor in north carolinia and will extract oil in california.
the slurper can be left on the dock and the hose placed in the boats dip stick tube. no need to make a mess on the boat nor does it require batteries.
it also doesnt need impellor changes.
for simple oil and filter changes you will need a service manual to give the oil specifications and a parts manual for filter part numbers.
check your local EPA and spill containment requirements.
 

scorp76

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Great, I already have the oil extractor which is charged with my compressor and works by use of a negative vacuum. I even have the setup to do this from my van but dont think I am going to be able to get the van close enough to the boat, so portable unit it is. Anyone have suggestions of where to order the spec manuals and filters from? My local oil and filter supplier did not have any suggestions.

Thanks,

Brian
 

tashasdaddy

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every model, brand, is different, manuals are expensive. i suggest you PM Gary H NC, he started a mobile service business this past year. the problem with mobile marine service, is usually they want more done and a simple oil change.
 

seabob4

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the problem with mobile marine service, is usually they want more done and a simple oil change.

...which means more $$$! Go for it!;)
 

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Re: Dockside Service

not a bad gig.
for your oil extractor use one named "slurper". works great mine is almost 10 years old now.
can be charged by an air compressor in north carolinia and will extract oil in california.
the slurper can be left on the dock and the hose placed in the boats dip stick tube. no need to make a mess on the boat nor does it require batteries.
it also doesnt need impellor changes.
for simple oil and filter changes you will need a service manual to give the oil specifications and a parts manual for filter part numbers.
check your local EPA and spill containment requirements.
Rodbolt by chance do you know of a link to the (slurper)? I have used them in the past But now every time I think about wanting one for myself I can never find one online.:redface: Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.:)
 

JustJason

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Re: Dockside Service

+1 on wanting to know more about a slurper. I have a mityvac that I use and it works great, but if there's something better out there......

As far as a mobile marine biz/mobile boat oil change biz.....

That's what I do in the summer, mobile marine. Tell you what...I hate it. It's a pita. I'm just saving up my cash until I can find a proper building. You run into to many problems on the road.

Customer telling you they have a mercury 70 and when you get there it's a spraybombed black evinrude 60.

Always forgetting 1 dang tool.

Breaking the one 9/16ths socket you brought with you and having to run out for another.

Dealing with dealers that sell you parts... if you need something you can't exactly run to an autozone to get something. You NEED to make a good relationship with a reputable dealer. Then you NEED to get said dealer to start giving you discounts on parts. You NEED to remember employee birthdays, send cards often, bring in a treat once every 4 or 5 times you go in to keep your discount, etc etc. In their eyes if your buying lots of parts you are taking business AWAY from them. If you screw up something you have to eat parts... you can't be returning things you buy. I"m lucky, I have a great relationship with a local dealer. I get cost plus 20%. I can pick up the phone and special order a grand worth of parts like it was a dime, (and that's not going to happen overnight) I would work for them in a heartbeat and we've talked a few times but we just don't agree on a pay scale.

As others have mentioned... it's 1 thing going to somebody's dock. But if you try to get into a boat club or marina they will call the police on you if they are bstrds. When the po po show up you better make sure you have all the correct biz/tax paperwork in your truck ready to go.

Mobile oil change in my mind isn't a viable business model.

You can count on all your fingers and toes the current automobile manufactors. But there have been hundreds and hundreds of boat manufactorers over the years.

You need to seperate the engine from the boat, but charge for both accordingly.

One boat with a GM 350 (the most common marine engine) you may get in and out in a little over an hour if your quick about it. Another boat with the same motor may take you 4 hours by the time you pull seats, take up floor panels, change the oil, clean the bilge because the filter has NO access and you make a mess, and putting it all back together. It's almost impossable to flat rate an oil change unless your a dealer working on a specific line of boat.

You can use all the tricks you know, plastic grocery bags, rubber glove up over the filter, plastic lisence plates to re-direct the oil... etc... but your almost always going to spill some.

A few years ago at a rink a dink shop that I worked at, I had a boat that hadn't had the oil changed in a dogs year. Couldn't get the filter off to save my life. Filter socket just twisted the can, strap wrench just crushed it, filter slip-joint pliers turned the can into a figure 8. The old screwdriver through the filter trick ended up cutting the can in half. Long story short, I had to pull the motor, put it on a stand, flip it, and use a hammer and screwdriver to tap the remainder of the filter off.
Fixed a few things while I was in there but that was essentially 2 days worth of work and a $1000 oil change.

Don't want to scare you, but if go to "change the oil" as a "mobile oil change biz" and you tear a filter in 2 you need to be prepared to finnish that job, you can't leave a boat like that.

You need to be a marine tech even to change oil. If you knock a wire off while changeing oil you need to know what that wire does, and where it goes. If a customer has a question you need to be able to answer it. It's not as cut and dry and user friendly as automobiles go.

I worked on race stock cars in high school, a car mechanic for a couple of years before I switched to boats. I have a 25K degree/diploma/toilet paper from MMI. Changing oil isn't beneath me by any means, but I don't give my time away for it either. But I still have customers and still run into dreaded boats that I just don't want to do that job.

One last thing is that on boats oil changing is usually part of yearly service that happens at the end of a season, or at a specific hour interval for southern states that have 2 seasons (spring and summer). You need to have the ability wether the customer wants it or not to perform all of the services required at that interval.
 

scorp76

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Thanks guys, and to justjason... that was a very informative post. Definitely a LOT of food for thought. This is just the feedback i was looking for. I am still going to pursue Marine Servicing, but not until AFTER I have the needed experience and training under my belt.


Thanks Guys, if anyone has anymore to add please jump in.

Brian
 

rodbolt

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cant remember if its spelled slurrper or slurper, I got mine from Paxton supply.
I have used various extractors for about 30 years of both the plastic can type with a hand pump,rubber impeller pumps on five gallon buckets, even a few old types the squeezed the hose between some rollers.
the slurper works THE BEST out of all I have tried, is mess FREE, cannot spill, can be charged days before you wish to extract, will extract 6 qts of oil at 60 degrees F in about 3 minutes and lasts for years.
mine is closing in on 10 years,the shops is closing in on 8 years the last shop I worked at his is closing in on 12 years or so. couple that with the fact the extractor can be left on the dock or in the service boat with no chance of scratching or oiling up a nice deck or some upolstery.
trust me, leave an oil stain on a 250K boat and see how fast you get a call or a bill from a detail shop?.
 
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