Does anyone ever "freshen up" an outboard motor or do you simply wait for it to blow?

BrokeLoser

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Ya think??? I was waitin for someone to say that. Maybe everyone else hasn't realized that you just wanna argue. You never did respond to my post about what kind of outboard you have and when you freshened it. Do you actually have an outboard or were you just bored the other night and wanted to compare mx bikes to outboards just to have something to do?

Okay tuff-guy, I'll bite.
I didn't answer your question because I had a feeling I couldn't have given you the right answer; I just knew you'd be the type to spin whatever answer I'd give you into something fitting for you so you could steer the topic your way...Thanks for confirming I was right all along. I wasn't bored at all. Sharing opinions and discussing their differences in a public online forum usually results in friendly debate / argument. Let me paint an elaborate picture for you...and grab your calculator, I'll run you through some simple 3rd grade math as well....Ready?
Lets say you own a 2007 Evinrude Etec 200hp HO (like I do) now lets say it has 1,900 hours on it (like mine does). You've done all your routine maintenance (like I have) and the motor has been very well taken care of. Now, its still running great with 120psi per hole and all but you've been reading and hearing that these things tend to let go in some major way around the 2,000 hours-ish regardless of how well they were cared for. Let's also assume you spend most of your time in the Pacific Ocean (like I do) and you hate that uneasy feeling you get while out in 8 foot seas with a motor that, according to common life expectancy may be on the brink of blowing.
Let's assume you really like the motor (like I do) and would like to keep it or one just like it mounted on your boat. A new one like it is $16,000 and a used one like it with 400 - 1,000 hours is $7,500 - $10,000...Now here comes that million dollar question that no one can wrap their mind around....Do I spend $1,500-ish now on the aforementioned parts to "freshen it up" or do I wait til a rod comes through the block and spend $5,000 on a new powerhead? Get it now? You can argue outlandish theories just as you can with anything or any topic but to me math don't lie...it seems like a no-brainer. I'm just simply wondering why the theory seems so far fetched to others...that's all.
 

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Re: Does anyone ever "freshen up" an outboard motor or do you simply wait for it to b

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The theory is when they blow they dont always do a $5000 powerhead so theres not much point in doing something which isnt likely to happen.
I think you have obtained the two different sides of the argument of your million dollar question.
Id rebuild if i had money and time to spare but i dont so i just wait until it goes boom or seizes and when it does its normally just a piston, a few bearings and a hone and im good to go again.
 

59 Fatty

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Hey 59 Fatty, did you ever get that motor you were working on running ??

Yes sir, got her running.
Then took it off and did some cosmetic work. 1959 Johnson Super Sea Horse 50 HP outboard boat motor - YouTube
Now under heavy reno on the boat itself.Flickr: reefroamers' Photostream
It will need more attention when it get back on the transom. Thanks for asking :)
 

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Thread Hyjinks........
 

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There are many boat owners who live in climates that allow for boating 12 months a year and 300-500 hours logged per year is not uncommon. Out here I don't think I've ever heard a case where the motor outlasted the boat.

Further, the question posed is not only directed at original owners. Remember, when you sell your rung out used motor someone ends up with a grenade ready to let go with X thousand(s) of hours on it.

Yep, you never know. In 1980, I was given a '64 9.5HP Johnson that had a cracked cylinder wall. I replaced the block with a used one, and it worked fine until 2005, when my water pump impeller decided to give out just as God-knows-how-many-tons of freighter were headed my way on the St.Lawrence River. I replaced the rings, and the impeller of course, and it's still running great. No plans to do any more "freshening," other than replacing the impeller more often.

Three years ago another guy gave me another Johnson, this time a '58 15HP. It had been sitting in a shed for years, was stuck, had a messed up recoil starter, and the remnants of an old mouse nest inside the cowl. I had it running inside of a week, then replaced the impeller (Yes, learned my lesson!) and lower unit seals. Had to replace the gears and clutch dog with some from a 12HP Sea King parts motor, and I converted it to use a fuel pump. It runs like a top, starts on the first pull almost every time. No idea how many hours it has on it, but going by who it came from, there's probably a lot. Still, I see no point in tearing the ol' girl down and "freshening" her as long as she runs as good as she does.

Yep, you never know how long one of these things is going to last...
 

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There are places where it is illegal to go offshore with a single engine on the boat.---Must have a pair of matching engines --Should take some of the worry out of boating.
 

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There are places where it is illegal to go offshore with a single engine on the boat.---Must have a pair of matching engines --Should take some of the worry out of boating.

In Africa, anywhere else?
 

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There are places where it is illegal to go offshore with a single engine on the boat.---Must have a pair of matching engines --Should take some of the worry out of boating.

If I had too much money for twice the fuel, twice the maintenance...heck, twice the everything; no cell phone, no VHF radio, no vessel assist and no drift sock I'd definitely have two motors....In all seriousness, I do plan to purchase a 15hp kicker soon.
 

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If I had too much money for twice the fuel, twice the maintenance...heck, twice the everything; no cell phone, no VHF radio, no vessel assist and no drift sock I'd definitely have two motors....In all seriousness, I do plan to purchase a 15hp kicker soon.

The closest I could be to a pair of matching motors is a couple of '57 18hp johnsons... ;)
 

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The closest I could be to a pair of matching motors is a couple of '57 18hp johnsons... ;)

Me too.....or walking past someone else's boat.....
 

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Re: Does anyone ever "freshen up" an outboard motor or do you simply wait for it to b

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Do I spend $1,500-ish now on the aforementioned parts to "freshen it up" or do I wait til a rod comes through the block and spend $5,000 on a new powerhead?

So you are looking to do a non-failure preventive rebuild, on a modern, high tech, high hp outboard.
For $1500 ??

I think you are going to have a hard time convincing people to do a $5000 "freshen-up".

I think you are way underestimating the cost of a full tear down and replacement of parts in a 2007 Evinrude Etec 200hp HO, or similar high tech engine.
Order up all the moving parts, seals, gaskets, etc, and let us know what the total is.
Parts are likely to be $3000+. Then add in the $2000 for labor for a qualified tech.

YOU may have the knowledge to do it your self.
And YOU may have the tools, shop space, TSB's, and time to do it.
But 99.9% of boaters with similar engines, do not.



Have at it, here is your parts list.

http://shop2.evinrude.com/Index.aspx?s1=jm2ppn9rum1nqisfddnrhcm8r6&catalog_id=0&siteid=1
 

BrokeLoser

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Re: Does anyone ever "freshen up" an outboard motor or do you simply wait for it to b

Re: Does anyone ever "freshen up" an outboard motor or do you simply wait for it to b

So you are looking to do a non-failure preventive rebuild, on a modern, high tech, high hp outboard.
For $1500 ??

I think you are going to have a hard time convincing people to do a $5000 "freshen-up".

I think you are way underestimating the cost of a full tear down and replacement of parts in a 2007 Evinrude Etec 200hp HO, or similar high tech engine.
Order up all the moving parts, seals, gaskets, etc, and let us know what the total is.
Parts are likely to be $3000+. Then add in the $2000 for labor for a qualified tech.

YOU may have the knowledge to do it your self.
And YOU may have the tools, shop space, TSB's, and time to do it.
But 99.9% of boaters with similar engines, do not.



Have at it, here is your parts list.

http://shop2.evinrude.com/Index.aspx?s1=jm2ppn9rum1nqisfddnrhcm8r6&catalog_id=0&siteid=1

$5,000?
I'm no sucker...you wouldn't find me ordering all the parts from a stealership. I've found that wiesco pistons and the like for other parts work just fine.

Evinrude 200 225 250 HP 90 Deg 3 3L V6 Etec Powerhead Gasket Piston Rebuild Kit | eBay
 
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