Does this spark plug look good?

canadianb

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Hi all....

I removed the spark plugs from my Force 120HP i/o and noticed that one of the plugs was badly pitted (see pic). What would cause this and would it affect the engine performance of the boat? I wiped the plug clean before taking the pic.

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Rob
 

SuperNova

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Re: Does this spark plug look good?

Looks like detonation to me. Better check the piston and figure out why it's detonating, IMO.
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Nate3172

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Re: Does this spark plug look good?

Rob, is the plug number the same on that plug as the rest? Which cylinder did it come from? 1,2,3, or 4? What was the color of the plug before you cleaned it?
 

canadianb

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Re: Does this spark plug look good?

Rob, is the plug number the same on that plug as the rest? Which cylinder did it come from? 1,2,3, or 4? What was the color of the plug before you cleaned it?

Hi Nate3172.. This plug is the very topmost one. It was slightly wet around the threads and brown on the pitted area in some places. the center pin in the middle was a dark brown and had some crud around it. Sorry for the horrible explaination, b ut thats the best I can explain it....LOL

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Rob
 

canadianb

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Re: Does this spark plug look good?

Rob, is the plug number the same on that plug as the rest? Which cylinder did it come from? 1,2,3, or 4? What was the color of the plug before you cleaned it?

Oh and yes it was the same make/number as the rest.
 

Nate3172

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Re: Does this spark plug look good?

There is a good possibillity that it has been running lean. I recommend doing a compression test. This will give you somewhat of an idea if that cylinder is damaged in any way. If you have access to a bore scope than you could use that to look into the cylinder from the spark plug hole, but not many people have that option. Also, check the carb out on that cylinder and make sure it is good and clean. If everything checks out ok, put some new plugs in it regardless. Do you know how long the boat was sitting before you purchased it? If it sat for a while, was the fuel drained and replaced before you ran it? Note, 2-stroke oil will break down in gasoline over time, within a matter of weeks, and gasoline itself does not have that great of a shelf life before it will go sour. This could have something to do with the pre-detonation that I think has caused the pits on your spark plug. If your engine is oil injected than you don't have to worry about the fuel breaking down the oil but you could still have problems from sour fuel.
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: Does this spark plug look good?

The photo is blurry but that sure looks like aluminum throw-off from the piston due to detonation.

The top cylinder of a pair usually runs slightly leaner than the bottom so on a pair of cylinders, if mixture is marginal, it is usually the top one that will first show damage. Check the setting on the carb (7/8 to 1 turn open preferred)and check to see that there is no clogging. Once you run a compression check, if compression is high, the engine is run-able once you correct the detonation. However, with that amount of aluminum throw-off, you will definitely want to replace the piston as a winter project. Reason: The crown of the piston is now rough and can trap deposits which MAY remain glowing and cause pre-ignition. Depending on the condition of the combustion chamber, you may also want to replace the head.

If the cylinder liner is not scored, the piston can be removed without tearing down the engine. Remove the carb and manifold and unbolt the con rod capscrews through the reed block opening. Push out the piston through the cylinder. Keep a rag under the reed block opening to catch any rollers that may fall out. Some of the rollers will drop into the crankcase but they have no where to go so you can fish them out with a piece of fine wire. Just be careful to not let any fall out the exhaust ports then you will probably not find them and then you will not be able to count them. Count them to be sure none are left in the engine. You need to retrieve 16.

It is a little tight to do it this way, and takes a little time, but it sure beats dis-assembling the engine. It is cheaper and easier this way but the negative is that if the cylinder is worn more than .002 over, you will lose a bit of performance.
 
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