Don't know if I have 10HP or 6HP

shmelnm

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Bought last year and ran it OK couple times before winter on a 12ft aluminum. Pretty wimpy compared to a 9.9 I had before. The motor ran good and was smooth and when I was at full throttle it just did not have enough. Was told it was a 9.9 Evinrude. Cover painted over previously. Frame Serial # is 10016-05954 would say it is a 1958 10HP Evinrude but I suspect the motor head was swapped over to another frame cause it just looks mismatched and motor has vertical recoil start. Plug on side of motor is J3216913. Any way of telling by the number on motor plug? Any pics I have seen in researching it looks like a 6.6. I think I need to rebuild carb as it won't run now after sitting over the winter. I want to get a manual and parts but got to know what I got first - do the attached pics help or need more?
 

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mottt

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Re: Don't know if I have 10HP or 6HP

Looks like a 10 to me
 

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Re: Don't know if I have 10HP or 6HP

Here's a pic of a 10 HP 1958 Evinrude and shape/style doesn't look anything like I have. Does the motor plug # have any way of indicating model or year? I thought from what I've read around was that the 58 had recoil start on top of flywheel and not a vertical. I appreciate the response just confused.
 

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Re: Don't know if I have 10HP or 6HP

Its a middle 60s to early 70s JohnnyRude 6hp. The data plate is from an Evinrude, but its hard to tell what the rest is, because its been painted in the late 60s Forest Green that Johnson used. The hood is the Johnson shape also.

There should be a model number above ther serial number that you have a photo of. It should be 4 digits. The first digit is "6" for the hp and the second one is the second digit of the abbreviated model year.

A "65##" is a 1965 6hp, a "66##" is a 1966 and so forth. The number pattern then changes for the 1970 model year to "60##," "61## ..... "69##, for the period ending in 1979.



PS: The info on the welch plug in the powerhead, indicates that its a Johnson powerhead.

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That is a 6hp Johnson that has obviously a different transome bracket on it. I know, because of the style of motor leg and too many other features that look like my 74 6hp.:cool:

Also, Evinrude will put the model number and serial number on the welch plugs and Johnson typically does only the serial number.
 

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The Johnson Welch plugs also have the "M" on them.

Also, the '58 ERude shown looks more like a 35hp Bigtwin, than a 10hp Model.



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Yep. That old blue motor has the lifter bar on the back side of the lower cowl. Definately a big twin. Also the style of the tiller is a give away. Also, if you look real close, "Big Twin" has been painted over, on the lower rear of the engine shroud. Judging by the style of the decals, the Big Twin is a 58:cool:
 

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One thing that I failed to mention - there will be Evinrude 6 hp motors with the first 2 digits that repeat themselves from the late 60s to the late 70s. The difference is the last two digits.

For example, a "6902" or "6903" is a 1969 motor, while a "6904" or "6905," is a 1979 motor.

Here's the link for the info

http://www.marineengine.com/manuals/evinrude/#e6hp



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Yep. That old blue motor has the lifter bar on the back side of the lower cowl. Definately a big twin. Also the style of the tiller is a give away. Also, if you look real close, "Big Twin" has been painted over, on the lower rear of the engine shroud.:cool:

It also has the transom clamp type screw on the port side, which I don't think the tens had.



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Re: Don't know if I have 10HP or 6HP

Thanks guys you've been a tremendous help. I got the pic of the 1958 rude off an ebay advertisment for sale who was listing it as a 10Hp 1958 Evinrude so sorry to misrepresent but it did indicate a styling era mismatch to me. Now I need to find out why it won't run. Got fresh fuel, verified fuel all way to carb but won't run. I can squirt in with a syring in choke opening with fuel and it will run but won't stay running on its own after I run out of hand feeding it.
 

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Sounds like you need a carburetor rebuild and/or a new fuel pump. Try squeezing the bulb in the fuel line, while running it. If it wants to run then, the pump may be your problem. Also be sure that the vent in your tank is open.

If you bought the motor last year and didn't replace the water pump impeller then, I would do it now. Its not hard, but be aware that the link that allows separation of the upper and lower shift rods, is inside of the lower portion of the midsection, right where the gearcase is bolted on. There is no removable plate to get at it, so you have to remove the four bolts that hold the gearcase on and then drop it a bit. You won't have much room to work (about 1/2" or less), but you will see the brass link, once the gearcase and midsection are separated slightly. Shifting the motor into reverse also gives you a little more room. There are two screws/bolts in the link (both have a hex head a screwdriver slot) and I recommend removing the lower one.

There is a roll-pin in the top of the driveshaft and a slot in a portion of the upper exhaust housing, so you may have to rotate the driveshaft a little, in order to line the roll pin and the slot up. This pin will have to come out in order to remove the impeller but be sure to replace it, as it holds a seal assembly in place, once the motor is put back together. You will not see the seal assembly, because it is held in place in the upper end of the midsection. Without the roll-pin, however, it is not compressed to the point of creating the needed seal.

Be aware also, that there are two different water pump impeller diameters, depending on which pump housing you have. The older aluminum housings have one size and the newer, plastic housings (stainless cup inside) have a much smaller impeller.

Another thing to check, is the thermostat. It is located on the top of the cylinderhead, inside of the triangular housing that has three bolts holding the top on. The cooling system in your motor is designed with a bypass circuit (see the vertical tube running down the back of the cylinderhead), so you will still get water flow out the back of the midsection, even if the t-stat is not opening up. For this reason, its important to make sure that the t-stat is actually opening at the correct water temperature.

BTW, a second look at your motor suggests to me that it is a Johnson, with an Evinrude transom bracket. I say that, because I can see some blue paint on the transom bracket, while the rest of the motor is Forest Green. Both the paint color and the hood latch in the back of the lower cowl, suggest a '68 or '69 Johnson 6hp. I'm inclined to think it is a '68, because it has a rivit plate type badge on the front of the hood, rather than the plastic badge that the '69s have.

Don't worry about the 10hp Erude v. the 35hp thing - some of us have waaaaaay too much time on our hands and can spot these things easily, because we fiddle with them all of the time. I happen to own a pair of '58 Bigtwins and three 6hp motors like yours, so all of this trivia info is just the result of fooling with both over the years.


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Re: Don't know if I have 10HP or 6HP

looks almost like my 69 6hp johnson, im no expert here but it looks like your missing the idle adjustment valve.
 

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Re: Don't know if I have 10HP or 6HP

oops i meant my 68, it is forrest green with a white cowl. and after today she runs like a champ started on the first pull, after a carb rebuild, new hoses, tstat, impeller, and the points looked so good that i just took a points file to them, off to the lake this week to see what she will do. but if it ran last year?? IDK? good luck im sure some of the guys here can help you figure it out....:)
 

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Re: Don't know if I have 10HP or 6HP

ncfish - I took the idle adj screw out and choke rod as I was starting to disassemble to get carb out and at least soak it in case just gummed up. Then thinking that I should just rebuild it but needed to know what I had so could order right stuff. That is where I took pics. What is process to remove the starter coil assy, will it fly apart when I take out mounting screws, and is it a chore to get it back together? Need to remove it so I can get to carb mounting screws. Thanks in advance.
 

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I have a 1968 and a 1969 evinrude 6 hp's... and the top covers dont look like the one you have....

all the rest looks very similar that i can tell from the photos

you know i bought that little plastic cover and gasket and screen for the fuel filter-pump and the cork gasket actually cost more than the plastic cover!!!!!

BOB
 

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In order to get to the port side carburetor nut, remove the two bolts on the top of the starter recoil assembly. Hold the barrel of the assembly as you do this and move it slightly away from the carb. Do not lift the recoil up and out of the lower mount!

Before you do this, be sure that you have a wrench (3/8ths?) within reach, so that you can loosen the carburetor nut with one hand, while holding the recoil with the other. If I remember correctly, there is also a cam follower link that you will need to remove, before doing any of this. It is located on the port side of the carb at the top. Once you get everything loose, just tilt the recoil back nto place and reinsert the bolts that you removed. Finger tightened them only, so that you can easily repeat the procedure, when you put the carb back in.

If you remove the recoil or let it come out of the bottom bracket, yes it will unwind. There is a procedure involving rotation of the flywheel to get it wound back up, but I've usually found it not to work very well. I just wind it back up by hand, until it is so tight that I have a hard time holding it. Unless you have "monster hands," that will pretty much result in the right amount of spring tension.



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Re: Don't know if I have 10HP or 6HP

I have a 1968 and a 1969 evinrude 6 hp's... and the top covers dont look like the one you have....

all the rest looks very similar that i can tell from the photos

you know i bought that little plastic cover and gasket and screen for the fuel filter-pump and the cork gasket actually cost more than the plastic cover!!!!!

BOB

Your right - the Evinrude version of this motor has a hood and cowl assembly that is curved on the bottom, sdie dimension. The Johnson version is straight.



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