Don't leave the dock without...

jay_merrill

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I often wonder how much the average boater knows about wilderness survival. My guess is that most know little or nothing about it, and think the topic is of no interest to them.

Actually, it can be extrememly important. By way of an example, I was involved in a SAR here in Louisiana in December of '07, in which two young women survived a boating accident in very cold water temperatures, as well as vey cold air temperatures. They had been in a small john boat with two men (both died), which sank, due to high waves. The women were wearing PFDs and made it to shore, where they survived for 2-1/2 days in temperatures in the 30s. They were able to do this because one of the women had been a Girl Scout and knew how to preserve body heat by huddling with the other woman in a bed of leaves. Without this knowledge, it is highly likely that both would have perished from hypothermia.

As seen in this situation, knowing how to survive can make all the difference in the world in doing just that - surviving.


Survival Tip: If you are stuck in the wilderness and are having trouble starting a fire in the rain, start with finding "standing dead wood." Rotten wood that has been on the ground for some time is not suitable. Once you find the standing dead wood, select suitable pieces (you may have to break some limbs) and pick one out to make "tinder" of. This is accomplished by "whittling" into the wood until dry, interior wood is found. If you happen to have an axe or some kind of a saw, you can split or cut the log open and start from the interior, making the task easier. Whittle out enough to get a good fire going so that a wet log can be put into the fire with out extinguishing it. Once that log has steamed the water out and has begun to burn well, you will be able to use other pieces of wet wood to keep it going.
 

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I ran out of gas one time and ever since then i take a 6 gallon portable just in case! I was so scared at that time! I was 2 miles from the dock and it was 6 oclock and it gets dark at 830. I tied the bow line to my ancle and started to swim. I was naked as i had jeans on and a shirt. I realized that got me nowhere. I was 20' away from my boat and it was trying to turn the other way. Now i carry extra gas!!!!!
 

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I was told later that was a dumb move! I didnt think id get 2 miles anyhow i just wanted to get closer. I was stranded with no gas for 7 hours.
 

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I often wonder how much the average boater knows about wilderness survival. My guess is that most know little or nothing about it, and think the topic is of no interest to them.

Actually, it can be extrememly important. By way of an example, I was involved in a SAR here in Louisiana in December of '07, in which two young women survived a boating accident in very cold water temperatures, as well as vey cold air temperatures. They had been in a small john boat with two men (both died), which sank, due to high waves. The women were wearing PFDs and made it to shore, where they survived for 2-1/2 days in temperatures in the 30s. They were able to do this because one of the women had been a Girl Scout and knew how to preserve body heat by huddling with the other woman in a bed of leaves. Without this knowledge, it is highly likely that both would have perished from hypothermia.

As seen in this situation, knowing how to survive can make all the difference in the world in doing just that - surviving.


Survival Tip: If you are stuck in the wilderness and are having trouble starting a fire in the rain, start with finding "standing dead wood." Rotten wood that has been on the ground for some time is not suitable. Once you find the standing dead wood, select suitable pieces (you may have to break some limbs) and pick one out to make "tinder" of. This is accomplished by "whittling" into the wood until dry, interior wood is found. If you happen to have an axe or some kind of a saw, you can split or cut the log open and start from the interior, making the task easier. Whittle out enough to get a good fire going so that a wet log can be put into the fire with out extinguishing it. Once that log has steamed the water out and has begun to burn well, you will be able to use other pieces of wet wood to keep it going.



Is there a forest like this somewhere on the ocean or bay? This is a boating web site
 

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I live in the Canadian Arctic and take a lot of stuff that boaters in more populated areas wouldn't even think of. As I can be 100 miles or more from the nearest help there are certain survival items that I pack along with all the regular items listed above. These items include flint and steel (for fire starting), axe, tarps and rope (shelter), space blankets, extra bug dope (extremely important), firearm & a box of ammunition, and most importantly a means of communicating with civilization or calling for help . There are several ways of doing this 1/ HF radio 2/satellite phone 3/ Spot satellite messanger 4/ epirb
I belive the new Spot satellite messenger is the most economical way to signal for help in remote locations.
 

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Is there a forest like this somewhere on the ocean or bay? This is a boating web site

There are forests surrounding bays, lakes, rivers and the like all over the world. For those who are in a boating accident, but manage to reach a shoreline in a remote area, as the two girls in my example did, such knowledge might mean the difference between life and death. For them, that (wilderness skills) is exactly what it meant.
 

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Is there a forest like this somewhere on the ocean or bay? This is a boating web site
Try the Pacific NorthWest sometime. There is forest on the Ocean, Bay, Lakes, Streams, Rivers, Ponds, and most swimming pools. It doesn't really matter where you boat, survival skills are something EVERYBODY should know. Even if they don't apply to your exact situation, knowing how to survive gives you the ability to adapt what you know into your individual surroundings. This absolutely applies to boating and on a boating website. When boating, we often find ourselves in places/situations where there is nobody there to hold your hand. If trouble strikes in one of those situations, you either know what to do, or you can die while sitting around waiting for somebody who does.
There are two types of people in this world; those who can adapt to the situation, and those who need somebody to do it for them. Unfortunately, the latter are usually the ones who whine that the rescuers didn't get there fast enough, or provide enough comfort for them in THEIR time of need.
Erik
 

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how about an ar-15... to take advantage of those who are better at remembering what one might need in advance???


yes... kidding... mostly anyhow... ;-) lots of great suggestions..
 

ilmostro99

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how about an ar-15... to take advantage of those who are better at remembering what one might need in advance???


yes... kidding... mostly anyhow... ;-) lots of great suggestions..

Yep, as long as you know how to use it really good. If not......

Kidding also, somewhat...
Erik
 

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Try the Pacific NorthWest sometime. There is forest on the Ocean, Bay, Lakes, Streams, Rivers, Ponds, and most swimming pools. It doesn't really matter where you boat, survival skills are something EVERYBODY should know. Even if they don't apply to your exact situation, knowing how to survive gives you the ability to adapt what you know into your individual surroundings. This absolutely applies to boating and on a boating website. When boating, we often find ourselves in places/situations where there is nobody there to hold your hand. If trouble strikes in one of those situations, you either know what to do, or you can die while sitting around waiting for somebody who does.
There are two types of people in this world; those who can adapt to the situation, and those who need somebody to do it for them. Unfortunately, the latter are usually the ones who whine that the rescuers didn't get there fast enough, or provide enough comfort for them in THEIR time of need.
Erik


As the kids would say ..... WORD!

Interesting, but not surprising, that a guy from a place that is just as unforgiving of the unprepared as where I live, even if it is a somewhat different set of dangers, understands this so well.

BTW, I don't think pepper spray works too well on gators, so around here its best to stay in the boat at night when they are most active! :D
 

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Didn't read the whole posts, but...

CASH!! Some people are jack@sses and want money before they help. The ones that are not looking for money you should give them something anyway.
 

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I have a medium sized fanny pack that serves as my "always have with me in case something bad happens" pack. If boat sinks out from under me and I make it to shore, I'll have that pack. Has several of the things already mentioned... but other bulkier/less required things are tucked in the boat.

Going from memory here, but it has...

small mag lite, 2 spare AA batteries, swiss army knife with wood saw, fire start (vaseline saturated cotton balls in a 35 mm film canister), waterproof matches, lighter, compass (with signal mirror), some parachute cord, some turkey twine, fluorescent orange trail marker ribbon, some nails and wood screws (another film cannister), super glue (great for gluing cuts closed), toilet paper, bandaids (including spiderman ones... see below), knife sharpening rod, small bottle of iodine tablets for sterilizing water, fox 40 whistle, nail clipper, stick pin (for slivers), small tube of polysporin, and a few granola bars. Things that are water sensitive (bandaids etc) are in small ziplock bags. Sometimes I'll also have a very small (size of a pack of cig's) fishing kit in there. Just some line and a few hooks.

Even though it sounds like a lot, it only weighs a couple pounds and is not bulky. There is enough room left over that I can still put 2 water bottles in it if we are going ashore to hike somewhere.

I can't count the number of times a little one has skinned their knee or got a sliver when we've gone ashore. They know that means a quick break while they get fixed up. Amazing how a bandaid with a superhero printed on it turns things around! And the granola bars get requested as "snacks" often enough that they don't get old.

Big thing is to keep from accumulating so much stuff that you end up not carrying it when you need it.
 

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I have a medium sized fanny pack that serves as my "always have with me in case something bad happens" pack ...


Excellent post and survival pack!
 
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Andy in NY

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Okay, so tell me what you all think of this idea. I want to get a say 10 gallon tote just for the boat. In the bottom would be alot of stuff that was suggested (see list below), and store life jackets in it as well. Most likely keep in the boat at all times, or possibly keep in garage.

It would contain:
First aid kit
flashlight with batteries
spare set of keys (boat, truck, house)
a few bottles of water
sunscreen
bucket for bailing
Swiss army knife/leatherman


So, what am I forgetting? We only plan on trips to our local lake, and its not very big and ALWAYS busy... so I know this sounds bad but I am not worried about being stranded anywhere...
 
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Good advise but where on the boat do you put the spare gas tank?

I've been wondering the same thing. I have a 21' center console and when I have it full of passengers and gear I don't really like the idea of a big can of gas sloshing around. Is it safe to store it inside the CC area - I'd be worried about the fumes collecting in there, especially since the electrical wires run inside the CC. Sounds like a recipe for a Darwin Award.
 
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