Down to the floor .. few pixs

[Maximerc]

Boat apart .. man I hate the wires ! cant wait to get them fixed up ! All in good time I suppose . There is little foam under the floor as you can see in a shot or two , but they made up for it in the cubes in the rear.. I am gonna figure up how much I need just seems excessive. Granted too much is a good thing !

<br /><br />The front also has a huge amount. There is no foam under the gunnel

<br />Here is that Pesky transom , Is this Seacast ???

<br /><br />Well thats all for now , ,,,,,,,,

 

[lawyertob]

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Maximerc,<br /><br /> Everything I have ever read says that Seacast is pink. I know that the sample I got is pink...looks kind of like pink granite. But it could be...there is another pourable stuff called Seacore I think...it is supposed to be more brittle...not sure on the color of it though. I hope that isn't Seacast because I am about to redo my transom and stringers with the stuff...<br /><br />Just my $0.02 worth,<br />Joe

 

[Winger Ed.]

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Great project.<br /><br />If that foam in there isn't watelogged, you may be able to replace the plywood around it and leave it in there. Pull of a little chunk near the bottom where water would have sat on it and by hefting in your hand you can tell if its waterlogged. <br /><br />If it feels pretty light, I'd try not to disturb it much. Maybe set the new pieces of plywood up against the old foam, and stick it up there with the bathroom version of 'Liquid Nails' or something, and reuse as much of it as I could.<br /><br />New foam is great, but if the old stuff isn't waterlogged, it should be fine. As expensive as that stuff is, reusing some of it might have have some appeal. <br /><br />Re-doing a decent sized boat, its amazing how small of a area 100 bucks worth of that stuff is.........

 

[jimmythekid]

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10.00 per cubic foot in my neck of the woods for 2part 2lb foam lots of $$$

 

[CalicoKid]

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Maximerc, Now your boat looks NOTHING like my own! You're not planning on altering the flotation distribution on it are you? It seems like a pretty good layout to keep the boat upright and level in the event it takes on water.<br /><br />Be sure and save the materials you're removing for reference and templates for new pieces.<br /><br />Will she be ready for Spring???

 

[Maximerc]

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Well, there is no doubt that the foam is soaked at the bottom, besides the floor is shot and the transom seems to be soaked too. Now that I have carpeting moved out of the way I will sit down with pencil and paper and draw up the wooden parts. I have to agree that the floatation layout seems exellent. I am going to alter it slightly, but going to compensate with extra foam in other places. The only reason for altering it is to get the battery away from the fuel tank,and to clean things up back there. I will be using very light 2 lter bottles in the rear compartments to cut down on the amount of foam being used. Also while I am down tho this I will be putting in a brandy new bilge pump.

 

[jimmythekid]

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i've seen a few guys do the 2 litre bottle thing, but how does that affect the structure that the foam provides? I am not to that point yet and i too have a few bottles saved up, and granted i totally glassed all wood completely. The factory only glassed two of the four stringers, and then only six inches up from the hull on one side of the stringer only. It probly needed it for structure from the factory for sure, but i dont know about now, it already seems way stronger than it did, and i dont have the top floor on yet

 

[jimmythekid]

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PS I am not trying to hijack your thread Maximerc, it seemed relevant to what im doing right now also.

 

[Winger Ed.]

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Originally posted by jimmythekid:<br /> how does that affect the structure that the foam provides?

More or less- If you're in a spot where you need the extra strength that you've given up by using a few bottles,, the boat will be pretty well ripped apart anyway. The big problem is dirlling holes through them to set screws-- which could let water fill the bottle and defeat its purpose. <br /><br /><br />You'll have to dig back in the archives of this section, but there has been some rather extensive discussions about this that you might like to read. Go pretty far back, they will be a few months old.

 

[jimmythekid]

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it seems plastic bottles would work for flotation some, but the foam seems like it would have way more surface area, i dunno anybody take a block of foam cut it to the same overall shape as a two litre bottle and compare bouancy of the two? I will read on using the red search button at the top of the page.....

 

[Maximerc]

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Jimmy .. If I can get a hunk out large enough I will try carving out a 2 liter.. My thoughts are though that you mention surfance area .. the water should not see any thing but the outside of the bottle. Strength , well I dont think that I am going to put any below the floor , and the cubes in the back are sitting on the floor in a box made of plywood that is simply stapled together.. I also considered water pressure crushing them , but being encapsulated by the foam I doubt thats a problem, and the Idea is for the boat to not sink deep anyway. WE is right a screw would screw up the flotation. On tap this weekend is drawing up all the old parts

 

[Winger Ed.]

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Originally posted by jimmythekid:<br /> the foam seems like it would have way more surface area,

The flotation would be very close to the same. What you have to work with is the weight of the bottle, and the weight of a chunk of foam rasped out in its same shape.<br /><br />They would both displace the same amount of water, but one or the other would weigh some very small amount more than the other. Over a normal boat, we're probably talking 2-5 pounds max. weight difference betweeen the weight of the bottles vs. the weight of blown foam that would displace the same volume of water. <br /><br />With the bottles, you lose some strength with them in there as you pour the foam. But there again, you'll have to have a impact that would probably not be survivable by the occupants anyway, and rip the boat apart to be able to tell the difference.<br /><br />But common things like running over a rock or stump, even a fairly low speed impact from another boat,, I really don't think it would matter enough to talk about very much if you had bottles in the foam or not.

 

[Maximerc]

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WE , I think we have the same feeling on the bottles. I gotta ask since this is my thread LOL you have your hydro repaired ??

 

[Maximerc]

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Ok I now have one of the rear floatation chabers cut out. Bottom 2 inches was pretty wet. And this is on top of the floor! I have been impressed with the workmanship of the Baja company. Most wooden parts fit nicely. I did find that the side compartments are in good shape , I may replace about 6 inches of one side but thats it the rest is gonna get a bath of epoxy. There is room for foam under it though not a lot I may put some in to compinsate for my new battery box. I am saving the crap of transom removal for the hoilday weekend. The storage compartments are lined with carpet, while this cusions everything it also make everything wet forever ! Any one have any other Ideas , was thinking of very cheap astro terf

 

[CalicoKid]

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I would like to have some sort of textured, non slip type rubber coating in the storage wells in mine. The carpet in there holds water as well as crumbs and sand and all the other junk that gets into every crevase in a boat. Carpet though is relatively easy to fit and install into little irregular areas like this and help to blend them into the surrounding areas if the compartments are of the same carpeting as the floor.<br /><br />That said I guess if my boat were dismantled as yours is I would apply a non-slip coating inside the compartments and then carpet up and over the boards that divide the floor area from the storage area running the length of the boat. I like the idea that carpet will keep my paddle from banging around etc. so in some areas carpeting could be affixed with velcro so that it could be removed for cleaning and drying.