Drain plug

muskyjim

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Is it safe to put your drain plug in from the outside of the boat? It would sure be easier than installing it from the bilge area.
 

Drowned Rat

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Re: Drain plug

That's what most people do, musky. Water pressure helps hold it in that way. Carry an extra on board in case something happens. You could always install it from the inside in a pinch.
 

Pony

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Re: Drain plug

IF it is the flip style I certainly wouldn't recommend it, most of the plugs will say whether or not they can be mounted from the outside................to do that though my guess is you need to have a threaded plug. (at least I would feel safer that way.)
 
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JB

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Re: Drain plug

I think most people put it in from the inside unless it is inaccessible from inside.

The idea is that if you take on water you can jump up on plane, pull the plug and run her dry. I can't count the number of times I have done that. I even buried my bow in a wave once and was shin deep with gas tanks floating around. If I hadn't been in a Boston Whaler I might not have made it. I was about midway between Miami and Bimini in the boat in my avatar. I pulled the plug, stood her on her transom to dump most of the water, jumped up on plane and was soon dry as a good martini. That was not a case for a bilge pump.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Drain plug

most inboard/outboards the plug is from the outside, my center console outboard, i have to insert from outside, the flip lever is fine, they are adjustable, hold the rubber and turn the handle, and they get bigger, with a tight fit i insert mine and then flip the lever up. i have also many times had to drain the boat, as JB stated. i now have 2 independant bilge pumps.
 

roscoe

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Re: Drain plug

This question seems to come up every month.
It always generates at least one reply about water pressure holding the plug in, or pushing it into your boat if you install the plug from the inside.

Where is all this water pressure?
The mass of the water above the plug, that can exert a force on the plug, is minimal. And the acceleration is a constant.

If you put your hand below the water line, how much pressure is there holding your hand against your boat?
Go back to your physics book, do the math, calculate for a plug that is 1', 2', or 3' below the water line.

I hope to do some real world on water test this summer with a gauge, just to verify my calculations.
 

reelfishin

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Re: Drain plug

I can't say how much affect water pressure has on a drain plug, but I did have an incident with one boat that had an old waste water pump outlet which was below the water line. The old pipe was no longer used and had been plugged with one of those stamped steel 55 gallon drum bung hole plugs. It had rotted out and began taking on water, when I got there it had about a foot of water in the bilge. I imediately started both auxillarly bilge pumps and it began to keep up with the incoming water from what was about a 1 inch hole in the plug. I needed to find someway to stop the water flow while I dug out the rusted plug and reinstalled a new brass one in the pipe which extended about 8" up from the bottom of the hull and had a 90 degree elbow on it. What I did was take a sheet of heavy clear plastic that I found and slid it down the side and over the opening, the water pressure held the sheet of platic ther and stopped the water nearly 100% while I fixed the problem. I had tied two strings to each side of the plastic so I could retrieve it when I was done, a guy that was watching and who had called me to tell me of the problem watched and hollered to me that the sheet had fallen away at the same time I replugged the hole. I don't think the sheet of plastic would have stopped the boat from sinking, but it did slow the incoming water. I suppose that it would have fallen away once the pressure equalized or the water line inside equalled that on the outside?
I hadn't planned it to work that way, but my first attempt was to rummage through a nearby dumpster for some old plastic bags to stuff in the hole, when I saw how they were sucked to the hole, I got the idea of a larger, heavier sheet of plastic. The plastic sheet I used was a makeshift floor mat I had in the back of my van to protect the carpet, a piece of old greenhouse plastic.

I agree that there's probably not much pressure on a drain plug, but I would think that it's easier to seal the hole from the outside simply due the the shape and flare of most bilge drain tubes. If you have a garboard style threaded plug, they can only be installed from the outside as the threads are 1/2" NPT (Tapered). With the lever style, I believe they can be gotten tighter than the wingnut style expanding plugs, but I have always worried about the lever getting snagged and pulled open on grass or debris. My old bass boat had a welded on tab just above the drain plug, when you folded the handle of the plug, the tab protruded through the hole in the handle and a hair pin could be installed as a safety. I haven't ever seen that on any other boat, but it was good piece of mind. I always carry a spare plug or two, just in case. I've been boating for years and have never had a problem though.
Most of my boats now have little or no access to the inside of the drain tube, so installing the plug from the inside is impossible. I have also added threaded bronze garboard plugs and fittings to all of my boats. I like the idea of a tightened threaded plug better.Depending on how high the drain is from the bottem edge of the hull determines wether or not you can add the threaded style plug and plate.
 

F_R

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Re: Drain plug

Ah, yes. I remember figuring out water pressure at a given depth in my high school physics class. But nowadays with the internet it's already done for you. http://www.gazza.co.nz/waterpressure.html

At first I said that can't be right, but then I realized you have to subtract whatever the atmospheric pressure is from the number they give. They also give the answer in atmospheres. At one foot depth, the water pressure is 1.02951 atmoshpheres, atmosphere being 1.0000.
 

muskyjim

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Re: Drain plug

Thanks to all of you.
I've never really looked to see how other boats have their drain hole plugged.
I carry a spare flip plug with me as well. Probably wouldn't hurt to have a couple more that are easily accessable.
 

Gary H NC

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Re: Drain plug

I keep about 5 or so onboard.Always have put it in from the outside and never had a problem.I got a couple plugs in a rear storage compartment i can reach from the swim platform just in case...That and 2 bilge pumps i hope i'm covered...:)
 

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Re: Drain plug

If fesible, ALL my boats heve one on BOTH sides
 
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