E-Tec Tech Inquiry,-

[Sea Rider]

A friend of mine which knows 0 about boating just purchased this nice 16 footer open boat with an E-Tec 130 HP motor with less than 100 metered worked hours. As an E-Tec it's a different 2 strokes motor would like to know more about the following :



2 Strokes Oil : Evinrude recommends the use of their exclusive XD100-50-30 grade oils, the XD is a synthetic oil, don't know about the 50 and 30 ones.. Someone told me to check the EMM, if comes with a yellow sticker was factory adjusted to run the XD 100 oil. Would you say that the XD 50 and 30 oils has their own propietary color sticker, if so which color corresponds to the XD 50 and 30 oils ?

As those Evi's oils are expensive and most times unavailable would like to use Amalie Pro 2 strokes TC-W3 oil which been burning for years now. Question, would it be necessary for dealer or anyone counting with a PC and E-Tec software to adjust the EMM parameters to the XD50 or XD 30 oil setting ?

It's no good using any other TC-W3 oil when adjusted to the XD100 setting as this oil requires tad less amount of oil compared to the XD 50 and 30 ones.

Prop : Is an OEM 13.25 x 17 (3) blade alum prop in good condition that only achieves 4 K wot revs with 3 adults on board at full hammer down on flat calm water cond.. The motor runs at the extreme lugging side of the wot rpm range which is 5500-6000 wot revs as loaded. Went for a motor/transom heigh optimization as the motor was sitting high and prop aerated badly on choppy water cond and at tight close turns at speed. The motor now sits at the sweet motor/transom height.

With deck weight evenly distibuted on deck and trim set at neutral, the combo planes fast, but at max 4 K wot revs. As won't know how much more wot rpm the motor will gain going one less in pitch was planing to buy a Solas same 3 blade alum prop but with 15 pitch as a starter prop and go from there maximizing others..

If we assume that tach works right, would you sat that a 17 pitch is highly over pitched ? Don't plan to go for a 4 blade alum or SS prop as the water performance can be dramatically improved with a 3 blade one matching right a lower pitch prop.

Proper tech information on both inquiries will be highly appreciated..

Happy Boating

 

[racerone]

Step #1 is to check / verify the tachometer is giving the proper read out..

 

[thatone123]

I've heard that the Amsoil Synthetic product does fine for E-Tecs. Better be careful and check it out as those engines are finicky and require a lot of maintenance to keep them in top shape.

 

[racerone]

123----How did you come to say that these engines are----" finicky and require a lot of maintenance "-----Some E-techs------Are no " dealer scheduled maintenance for 5 years or 500 hrs " ---I believe.

 

[Crosbyman]

In my humble opinion running a 75hp ETEC for 14 years

1- OIL.… xd-100 only to be burnt at the xd100 setting nothing else !!
but at the TCW 3 setting you can burn xd-100 or TCW3 (consumes more oil but it is cheaper than parts)

* XD100 is $$$ but that it is what you need for an ETEC .. includes decarb agents, smokeless, also use 2+4D fuel additive.

2- WOT 4k loaded ?? change the prop to reach MAX RPM at MAX load confirm the MAX RPM for the 130 ETEC and adjust the prop for it

3- For ETEC questions visit the ETEC user board where ETEC people live

http://www.etecownersgroup.com/?forum=115573

get your friend to a ETEC dealer & dump the history log and check for any faults. Send the PDF log to the ETEC user group for expert comments

dealer maintenance every 300 hrs water impeller change, vst filter check etc....

My 75 3 cyl from 2005 runs like a champ no major issues to speak of other than maintenance, seal job on the tilt& trim
misc stuff.

search The-Genesis-of-the-Evinrude-E-TEC-Outboard

 

[Faztbullet]

Somethings not right as that motor on a 16ft hull should sling that prop over 6000RPM!!!!.....either
A) boat is heavy as heck
B) tach is off
C) engine spot on needs to be changed
D) owner not using trim
E) motor has a mechanical/electrical problem

 

[Faztbullet]

Here is BRP motor installation guide link ...page 50 and 90 for height and 77 for oil
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/82...page=50#manual

 

[jakedaawg]

I do work for a rental company...I suggest that you use xd100 but program the motor for tcw3 setting. Yes, it will use more oil, that is not a bad thing with these larger etecs that aren't very reliable longevity wise in my experience. I've seen about 15 out of 65 6cyl motors lose a cylinder in the last 5 years.

As far as everything else, Faztbullet nailed it above.

 

[Sea Rider]

Thanks gents highly appreciated, Just gathering information on the subject as an E-Tec is a new animal compared to the standard simple pre mix models we like running. Some issues :

-This is a 2012-150 HP motor is not known if said motor was powering a shorter size boat. The boat is not heavy at all, no water intrusion on hull or internal foams being waterlogged whatsoever. Will measure it with tape next time as seems it's a bit shorter say a 15 footer one or around it.




-Isn't known which oil was used by previous owner could be XD 100/50/30 or any 2 strokes oil TC-W3 rated, it has a half full external oil tank, if would like to use Amalie Pro, would it be better to empty the whole tank’s content whichever oil brand was working with and fill it with Amalie Pro oil and check/program the EMM to use TC-W3 oil.

-With respect to the motor height, was sitting one hole up, at plane produced excessive prop aeration, the idea is for prop to work spot on all water cond. Lowered the motor one hole down, now sits even with transom's edge, the performance while on plane has improved dramatically. Previous owner installed trim tabs, guess that had planning issues with motor badly height seated along being extremely over propped. Will not be surprised at all if the dealer installed a medium pitched prop to have it safe which is not the prop that motor needs to run towards middle to max of its wot rpm range. There are many pitches to choose from, range from 9 to 24....




-Although the combo planes fast with 3 up with a 130 HP should fly to Mars and ain't doing so, next outing will check max speed with a GPS on a rowing water course. My boating friend is highly interested in this nice combo as actual owner pawn him for just 5 grand and seems that will not be able to pay the amount back so it's an excellent purchase opportunity that should not let go…

Happy Boating

 

[Crosbyman]

anything breaks ask the folks on the ETEC user board but thousands of owners do not write in because user boards are usually for problem solving..


some have indicated running ETECs for thousands of hours with no issues to speak of so it all depends ….

most critical is blow EMM's due to poor electrical connections NO WING NUTS !!!

in any event have your motor checked out by a qualified ETEC man get a copy of the fault log

 

[racerone]

Qualified E-Tec man is not on every street corner in some areas.----How many are there in the Islands ?

 

[Sea Rider]

Will check the E-Tec user board if they can shed a light at the end of the tunnel regarding my tech inquiries to know more about them and don't screw that costly motor.

Happy Boating

 

[Faztbullet]

A good prop will help....that's the small "bat wing" design so you want the largest diameter you can run

 

[racerone]

Top RPM of 4000 means.------Wrong prop.------Or something wrong with the boat ( water logged ) ------Something wrong with the motor.------Compression test would be the first thing to do.

 

[jhebert]

2 Strokes Oil : Evinrude recommends the use of their exclusive XD100-50-30 grade oils, the XD is a synthetic oil, don't know about the 50 and 30 ones.. Someone told me to check the EMM, if comes with a yellow sticker was factory adjusted to run the XD 100 oil. Would you say that the XD 50 and 30 oils has their own propietary [sic] color sticker, if so which color corresponds to the XD 50 and 30 oils ?

The recommended oil for an E-TEC is the Evinrude XD100.

The engine has two settings for oil use rate:

--use ANY TCW3 oil, or

--use ONLY XD100 oil

If the Engine Management Module (EMM) is set for ONLY-XD100 oil, you must only use that oil. The benefit will be a lower rate of oil use.

The original or stock or factory setting for oil use rate is the ANY TCW3 setting.

To set the EMM oil rate to ONLY XD100 requires modification to the internal memory of the EMM. This is typically done by a dealer. If a dealer modifies the setting, the dealer is supposed to attach a warning tag to the OILTANK (not to the EMM). The tag is usually yellow. Whether or not there is a tag on the boat your friend bought and exactly what the EMM is set to is unknown to me. To discover the EMM actual setting for oil rate, the EMM must be connected to software called EV-Diagnostics, which is usually available to the dealer.

No tag is required to be placed on the oil tank if the EMM setting is for ANY TWC3 oil, so there are no color requirements for the tag that is not required to be in place.

You are also free to use XD100 even if the engine is still set for ANY TCW3 oil. The benefit of XD100 oil is better lubrication, less residual carbon, less smoke, better additives, and so on.

I don't see any basis to prefer some other oil made by Amsoil in preference to XD100. Evinrude is quite emphatic that if the EMM is set for ONLY XD100 oil, the oil used must be only XD100. There is an emergency exception that provides a limited run time with another oil.

Tell your friend to read the owner's manual. All this information is contained in the owner's manual.

Tell your friend to visit the E-TEC Owners Group website at

https://www.etecownersgroup.com/

I have a 2010 E-TEC 225-HP. I use XD100 oil.

 

[jhebert]

Re where to get the owner's manual, which in Evinrude parlance is called the operator's guide:

http://www.operatorsguides.brp.com/

The above website allows the literature to be downloaded and stored locally as a PDF file. You can access the information with a PDF reader application using the downloaded PDF files. This is a much better resource than having to be connected on-line to read the manual as occurs with other websites cited for this information.

You can also get the Pre-installation and Rigging Guide literature.

Many problems reported on-line by owners of E-TEC engines are often caused by poor rigging and installation, particularly with regard to the electrical system and the fuel system of the boat.

 

[Crosbyman]

you can download the maintenance manual for a few $$ but I forgot the site info browse the net

 

[Sea Rider]

Thanks Jnebert.

So it's supposed to have been factory set to the any TC-W3 oil setting, right ? Would it be advisable to check that out by
dealer or someone having the software to be 100 sure was set to TC-W3 setting.

Just curious, if using say XD50/XD30 can both be used at the TC-W3 setting ?

Have read the Owner's Manual fully specially regarding the recommended oils, the issue with XD100 is that's quite expensive, E-Tec dealer doesn't have it always readily available down here, that's why planing to use Amalie Pro which is a fantastic oil and price friendly compared to XD100.

Will check with other tach to see if installed one is working flawlessly, if so, definitely is way over propped and no bueno..

Happy Boating

 

[thatone123]

Many outboarders know that the Etec has had it's share of problems. I know "up north" in Canada and Alaska where outboards are put to the test they have not a lot of fans. One dealer that has a weekly radio program used to brag em' up to dooms day. Now, we never hear about them anymore, just another brand they carry now gets all the kudo's. I think they have the 500 hour dealer maintenance recommendation because they had to replace so many powerheads, they don't want the average joe to mess with them. BTW, The Yukon 800 is one of the toughest maybe the toughest outboard race in the world and few outside of Alaska have ever heard of it.

 

[jhebert]

[An E-TEC engine is]...supposed to have been factory set to the any TC-W3 oil setting, right?

All E-TEC engines are delivered from the factory with the EMM set to the oiling rate that permits use of any TCW3 oil, to the best of my knowledge. If this is changed by a dealer, there should be a tag installed to indicate the change has been made.

Would it be advisable to check that out by dealer or someone having the software to be 100 sure was set to TC-W3 setting?

If there is confusion about the present setting of the oil rate in the EMM, the only way to discover what the setting actually is will be via use of the EV-Diagnostics software.

Just curious, if using say XD50/XD30 can both be used at the TC-W3 setting ?

Yes. You can use ANY TCW3 oil with an E-TEC engine if the engine is set for the oil rate to be ANY TCW3 oil. If you are asking can XD30 and XD50 can be mixed together in use, I think that is part of the definition of being a TCW3 oil. Any TCW3 oil can be mixed with another TCW3 oil, from what I understand.

...the issue with XD100 is that's quite expensive....

The cost of everything associated with boating is always an issue if your income is not unlimited.

[E-TEC] dealer doesn't have [XD100 oil] always readily available down here

I am unacquainted with "down here". Where are you?

...that's why planing to use Amalie Pro...

If the oil you plan to use is not XD100, you should set the EMM to ANY TCW3 oil rate.

My local Evinrude dealer sells XD100 oil from a 55-gallon drum to his customers. The price is about $34-per-gallon. The oil is dispensed from the drum into the customer's 1-gallon container. With my 225-HP E-TEC engine, a gallon of oil is good for about 25-hours of engine running time. If we assume a less expensive oil were used that cost $20-per-gallon, then the cost difference in terms of per-engine-hour will be about $1.40-per-hour.

I have never met any boater who would give up boating if their cost-per-hour increased by $1.40. On that basis, I cannot see an issue with the price of XD100. XD100 is a superior two-stroke-power-cycle oil, and it costs more than other oils.