E15 decision excludes marine engines

[Capt'n Chris]

This is good news for many of us!
http://www.tradeonlytoday.com/home/506740-e15-decision-excludes-marine-engines

Captain Chris

 

[JoLin]

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It is, but I hope the marine oem and aftermarket manufacturers recognize that it IS coming.

We boaters will all need to be prepared for it sooner or later. The writing's on the wall.

My .02

 

[hostage]

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Does this mean they will have different pumps for E-15 and E-10?

-Doron

 

[robert graham]

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I understand that the installation of seperate tanks and pumps for the E-15 fuel is a big expense and issue for the gasoline retailers, so maybe just some of the bigger retailers will be doing it, at least at first. I doubt that E-15 is going to be much good for marine engines, but I run the E-10 with Marine Stabil and have had no problems.

 

[superbenk]

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It doesn't really matter if marine engines are required to change or not if all the gas at the pumps is E15. Legislation requiring boats to switch to E15 so they can work with what's at the pump doesn't do squat for my 30 yr old boat

 

[Rocky_Road]

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It doesn't really matter if marine engines are required to change or not if all the gas at the pumps is E15. Legislation requiring boats to switch to E15 so they can work with what's at the pump doesn't do squat for my 30 yr old boat

And it even gets better...all marine engines currently under warranty are only covered for E-10 use. Anything beyond E-10 will VOID that warranty.

Happy boating!

 

[Brewman61]

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Hopefully the cost of adding E15 will be too great for any gas stations to install the equipment for it. Since it's not mandatory, and I can't imagine any significant customer demand for the stuff.
Hopefully it'll turn out to be the boondoggle it is.

 

[Silvertip]

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Why would any retailer cut their throat by eliminating E10 in favor of E15? E15 is NOT mandated. Retailers are NOT REQUIRED to handle it. This same article was posted on another area of this forum. Everyone cry wolf at the same time so we can move on. This is a non-issue at this point. As for the separate pump for E10/E15 comment -- of course they need separate pumps which can then mean you have a choice of seven when you pull in for fuel. 1) Diesel, 2 E-10, 3) E-15, 4) E-85, 5) regular, 6) mid-grade, and 7) premium. What you may not know is E10 may already be anything from E10 to E15 depending on how well the mixers are doing their job.

 

[metriccrescentwrench]

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Silvertip's nailed it. If you read that entire article you'll see that some special interests (chemical companies that manufacture ethanol) are trying to sell more product. The EPA has only said that E15 is ALLOWED to be used in 2007 and newer cars, nothing else. There is currently testing underway on 2001 thru 2006 cars, after which EPA may choose to allow (but NOT require) the use of E15 in those, and that they don't plan to allow E15 in any vehicle older than the 2000 model year.

 

[superbenk]

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That's all fine & good until we get to the situation we're in now with E10 fuel being almost ubiquitous at roadside pumps. Eventually I would expect E15 to become just as ubiquitous making it very difficult to get proper fuel for old tubs like mine. I don't slip my boat, so it's always filled at a road-side gas station on the way to the water, so it almost always gets E10. Hasn't been a problem for me, but my boat is right on the edge of when the marine industry started making E10 tolerant stuff (1980 according to my manual which is the year of my boat).

I've read more bad than good about E10 vs. straight gas, so it makes me nervous thinking about being limited to E15 in the future solely due to availability. Perhaps that's paranoia & perhaps I'll have something completely different by the time it happens and all this will be moot, but the concern still lingers in the back of my head.

 

[jeeperman]

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Why would any retailer cut their throat by eliminating E10 in favor of E15? E15 is NOT mandated. Retailers are NOT REQUIRED to handle it. This same article was posted on another area of this forum. Everyone cry wolf at the same time so we can move on. This is a non-issue at this point. As for the separate pump for E10/E15 comment -- of course they need separate pumps which can then mean you have a choice of seven when you pull in for fuel. 1) Diesel, 2 E-10, 3) E-15, 4) E-85, 5) regular, 6) mid-grade, and 7) premium. What you may not know is E10 may already be anything from E10 to E15 depending on how well the mixers are doing their job.

Maybe someday the retailers could merely install one new tank for pure methanol.
Then the customer could select which grade and mix he wants and the methanol would be metered into the gasoline right at the pump. Idiot proofing would be tricky I guess.

 

[metriccrescentwrench]

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but my boat is right on the edge of when the marine industry started making E10 tolerant stuff (1980 according to my manual which is the year of my boat).

For one thing any changeover to E-15 (if it EVER happens) is going to be years in the future. And face it, there are fewer and fewer pre-ethanol engines out there anyway, so the number affected will be pretty small. Not that it's a really big deal anyway - a few fuel lines and maybe a handful of gaskets or o-rings - most people with engines that old do most of the work themselves anyway. And don't get too hung up on this one ruling, it doesn't dictate anything, it merely gives permission for certain vehicle owners to use E-15 if they want to.

I've got mixed feeling about this. On one hand this push to higher concentrations of ethanol is being spearheaded by big corn-belt agribusiness and chemical producers and supported by a handful of senators such as this guy (he's getting an email from me):

"Nebraske Republican Senator Mike Johanns criticized the EPA for ?foot-dragging? on approving E15 fuel for vehicles manufactured in 2001 and later. EPA approval of E15 for those vehicles is expected in December, after further testing is completed."

On the other hand I realize that we need to find sources of energy other than imported oil, both for the environment and for national security concerns.

 

[woosterken]

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this stinks!!! what about people like me that live on a fixed in come?
my truck is a '95 and just turned over 60,000 miles, do i have to get my truck refited which will probably coast more than what i paid for it ?
and my boat is a '74 I/O that dosent have 500 hours on it.

woosterken