E3 diamondfire spark plugs...WHOA BABY!!

[waterinthefuel]

I was ALWAYS the kind of person that said a spark plug is a spark plug. All it can do is burn the fuel. And I'd tease people who would spend money on expensive plugs saying you wasted your money.

Well....I watched an episode of HorsepowerTV and they tested the E3's in an engine on a dyno. Well....it got a little better fuel economy, tad more power and substantially less emissions. I figured that show has a reputation to protect and they went through a lot of expense and showed how they did the test and whatnot.....I would say it was "for real" and not staged in any way, especially because the results were certainly not "out of this world". So....my little truck had some plugs that had about 30,000 miles on them so I decided to go ahead and put some E3's in my truck and just see what happened. What happened was amazing. It's a 1997 Nissan Pickup standard cab, stick shift, completely stock drivetrain.

First of all, the truck has better get up and go than it ever did. Is this a "scientific" study? No, but I know my truck, it's 13 years old, I've had it since new and I know what it can and can't do. My uncle rode in it and I mentioned the E3's and he said, "I noticed this truck is smoother than it ever was. Damn Brandon, this truck runs fantastic." And I agree. The engine is INCREDIBLY smooth now. And the last is the best part....

I helped someone move today. I had my entire bed full, plus a hitch-mounted cargo carrier full for 80 miles of the 204 mile trip. I know historically that my truck gets right at 300 miles per tank in the city, so 150 miles on a half a tank is normal, highway is less because of the low rear end, I used to get 19mpg on the interstate with the little engine turning at least 3000rpm in top gear. Well....I'm coming back and I'm watching my trip meter and fuel gauge. Something's wrong. I'm at 180 miles and not even at a half tank yet. That's 30 miles beyond what it ever did. Finally at around 190 I hit a half and by 204.7, total trip length, I was about one needle width below half. I figured my gauge was wrong and so I refilled AT THE SAME PUMP AT THE SAME STATION that I filled before I left. The tank is a 14 gallon tank and I put 7.4 gallons in it. Ok....guys...that's 27 miles per gallon!!!! This truck used to get, at best on the interstate, 19 miles per gallon!!!!!!!! In the city it did better because of its low rear end, it got 22 in the city, at its absolute best when new!! That is a HUGE increase!

These spark plugs kicked my little truck in the ***. It starts faster, runs smoother and gets substantially better mileage than ever before. Yes, the plugs are not cheap at 6 dollars a piece. But I tell you what, they were the single BEST investment I have ever made in my little truck!

People who know me know I am NOT easy to please and that I will spread around the net, on a dozen forums, bad product reviews if I get screwed and spend my money on something that doesn't work. But...on the flip side, when I am impressed, I will take the time out to make sure the company involved gets the credit it deserves. I HIGHLY recommend the E3's for anyone with a vehicle older than 5 years old (some have said the newer vehicles benefit less than the older ones, but I'd say 5 or more years old, give it a shot) and I seriously doubt you will regret it. I know I'm still holding this gas receipt rechecking my math in disbelief of what I'm seeing. But it's true.Guys, get you some E3's!They make them for boats, cars, trucks, motorcycles, lawnmowers, anything! I put one in my motorcycle (well, giant scooter) and preliminary reviews show that it definitely runs smoother and doesn't have that weird vibration it used to have when cold. But it's too early to tell fuel mileage as I haven't run a full tank through it yet. But it definitely makes my scoot run better too!

 

[thefairlaneman]

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Makes me want to try them for sure.Do most parts houses have them?

 

[waterinthefuel]

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I'm not really sure, I ordered mine from Amazon.com. If you look here, (ignore the plug in the photo, I just picked one at random) go to the "make sure it fits" area next to the photo and you can enter your year make and model and get the right one!

http://www.amazon.com/E3-Spark-Plug..._1?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1266736198&sr=8-1

Don't expect the huge difference that I got, but I don't think it would hurt. They don't advertise that big of an increase on their own site, but the proof is in the gas receipts! The old plugs had 32,000 miles on them, so it's not like they were just TOTALLY so far gone that any plug would have yielded gains such as these. I know this because when this truck was BRAND NEW with BRAND NEW PLUGS it got 22mpg city, 19 highway. It got 24 one time in the city, never better than 19 highway. 27 highway is just absolutely INCREDIBLE.

A review straight off the amazon.com website:

Now the good stuff. My SL2 averaged 25.75 mpg versus 23.02 mpg for the month prior to installing the E3 spark plugs. I have to admit that because of the increased performance, my foot has been heavier on the gas pedal than normal so the mileage could possibly have been even a little better. All in all, I would say these spark plugs are a worth while purchase that will eventually pay for themselves.

 

[kenmyfam]

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Will be time to change ours in the Grand Prix this spring. May well try them out. I will do a little more research on them as well.

 

[JB]

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Call me skeptical.

One favorite scam of folks selling "miracle" stuff like that is to scientifically test an engine that is not at 100%, then replace faulty part(s) with the miracle part and bring the engine to 100% and test again. VIOLA!!, the miracle part appears to have performed a miracle.

This works to prove that snake oil makes an engine run better than oil with 20,000 miles on it; clean, properly gapped miracle plugs work better that incorrectly ranged and overgapped old plugs, etc., etc.

Not saying you have been scammed, WITF, but just remember that those marketeers are expert at making things appear to be other than reality.

 

[waterinthefuel]

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I fully understand your skepticism. But they were tested on Trucks! They showed how they did it, a VERY controlled environment. They only got an increase of 4% on the fuel burn, a very realistic number. I think maybe 5 or 6hp on a 400hp engine, again, realistic.

I actually was wrong about "a spark plug is just a spark plug." They ARE different. Airplane engines have two spark plugs per cylinder. Pretty much if you guess why and say "Well thats because they have two magnetos for redundency" you would be correct. However, a side "gain" of having two mags is having two sparks in the cylinder for each explosion. When both mags are hitting normally, the engine produces more power because the two spark plugs more thoroughly burn the air/fuel mixture than with one. Now, does it still run good with just one plug? Of course, but it doesn't make as much power. This can be easily demonstrated during the ground run-up, where the engine might be making 1700rpm with both mags on and if you turn one off (you can do that in a plane, turn them off individually) you'll see about a 50-100 rpm drop. That's because it's not burning as well. In fact, if you DON'T get an rpm drop during run-up you don't fly because you either have a hot mag (you can't turn it off) or a dead mag.

So its the same as a car. If you put a hotter plug in it with a head shape that makes a more even explosion in the cylinder, you get more "umph" for each power stroke. More umph means more power, but more importantly, you can get the same power with less fuel, or at least get the car moving at 55mph using less fuel because it's more efficient, it's making better use of the fuel/air mixture.

So you can be skeptical if you want, but I have LOTS of fuel receipts I'd be more than happy to scan for you guys and show you the mileage I got before and after the plug change. This truck NEVER got more than 24mpg in the city, 19 highway (it did 24 one time, 22 is the norm) so 27 is a number it never saw before. I didn't conscientiously drive any slower or any different knowing I had those plugs, in fact I forgot until I glanced down at the fuel gauge last night coming home and noticed at 150 trip miles I wasn't to half a tank yet. In fact, considering I was hauling a bunch of crap in the bed and in the cargo carrier, I would have to use more throttle to get up to speed, not less.

In fact if you google "e3 scam" you come up with nothing, or at least nothing to do with e3 spark plugs.

 

[642mx]

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Ok....guys...that's 27 miles per gallon!!!! This truck used to get, at best on the interstate, 19 miles per gallon!!!!!!!!
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Your post was pretty convincing, until I read this...lol. Your truck got almost 10 mpg better?... Give me a break!

The reality is, a high quality plug is pretty much a high quality plug. They fire the air/fuel mix. If your plugs are shot, you'll notice some improvement by replacing them.... but not what this guy says. They don't increase your gas mileage by 10 mpg or make your tires last longer.... lmao!!!

 

[ondarvr]

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There has never been a test that shows much of a difference in spark plug performance from brand to brand, or style to style, the main reason is that all it does is allow the current to jump a gap, the materials used have little to do with the actual burning of the fuel. Yes I know you could design a plug to perform badly, I'm referring to current plug materials and technology, the current high end plugs use longer lasting materials, they don't deliver more power. I looked at a pic of the plug, why would shrouding the spark, which may slow the burn help in any way? All their design is, is three grounding posts coming together and connecting around the electrode, there are other almost identical designs that have come and gone because after the hype people began to realize they did nothing but empty their wallet faster.

If an automotive company could gain several % in mileage and performance by installing a different plug design, they?d be tripping over each other to buy them.

The reason a two spark plug ignition system drops RPMs when one is shut off is because it in effect retards the timing. With two plugs you have two flame fronts burning the fuel in less time, which in effect advances the timing. If a duel plug system was that much better more engines would use them. I have owned duel plug vehicles (Nissan PU) and it was a modification done on some racing motorcycles in the past, but it didn't stay around long. On a plane I can see why they would use it though.

Sorry?I don?t buy into it.

 

[bandit86]

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The reason a two spark plug ignition system drops RPMs when one is shut off is because it in effect it retards the timing. With two plugs you have two flame fronts burning the fuel in less time, which in effect advances the timing. If a duel plug system was that much better more engines would use them. I have owned duel plug vehicles (Nissan PU) and it was a modification done on some racing motorcycles in the past, but it didn't stay around long. On a plane I can see why they would use it though.

Sorry?I don?t buy into it.

exactly, because the one plug is centered and the 2 are offset, the flame has longer distance to travel to complete burn.

BUT I did switch to Bosch Platinums many years ago and i did see significant increase from before. I only use bosch if i can find one that fits. This E3 is not horribly overpriced, worth a chance at next tuneup.

 

[coolguy147]

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lol spark plugs make your tires last longer lol!

 

[ondarvr]

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[qoute}So its the same as a car. If you put a hotter plug in it with a head shape that makes a more even explosion in the cylinder, you get more "umph" for each power stroke. More umph means more power, but more importantly, you can get the same power with less fuel, or at least get the car moving at 55mph using less fuel because it's more efficient, it's making better use of the fuel/air mixture.

Do you mean hotter heat range, or hotter spark (higher voltage)?

A hotter heat range will soon burn a hole in the piston or cause other issues if its too hot. After a certain amount of volts there is no gain in performnace and its a fairly low amount, so mega volts do nothing to help. Don't you think a great deal of research has gone into the design of these engines buy people with far more education and experience than you or the people that market this plug to acheive the best performance at a reasonable price.

 

[waterinthefuel]

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Yes, and that is why they have a plug that is recommended by the manufacturer.

That being said, E3 has different plugs for different engines. The heat range isn't more, you can't do that and not risk damage, it's a hotter spark. A better spark. You are wrong about voltages. I didn't increase voltage, I kept voltage the same and installed a spark plug that creates a larger hotter spark with that same voltage.

Burning a hole in the piston with a hot plug? Hmm, do you know how that would occur? And I mean without googling it.

I'll conclude with this....if it's not the spark plugs that I changed, what could cause me to gain so much mileage out to better-than-new performance levels? Tightening the belts? I did that too. Maybe that's it, right? The ONLY thing I did to this truck in the last 6 months was change the plugs. No, wait I lie. I added 2 ounces of power steering fluid also.

Here's the video of dyno testing the E3 plugs on HorsepowerTV. If you think this test looks like a scam, then you let me know. Pay particular attention to the side-by-side comparison in the spark plug tester. I have a feeling the people yelling "SCAM!" haven't seen this video.

http://www.e3sparkplugsracing.com/video.htm

 

[WizeOne]

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T'would be nice if it were true, but I've seen so much of this kind of stuff that I would only try them if someone gave them to me!

 

[bandit86]

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Voltage = current X Resistance. Ohms law. An ignition coil wil have a specific voltage it steps up 12VDC (14.5 running) from your battery. That will not change without changing coils, so your max availible Volts is given. Resistance is affected by wire resistance and airgap. If you kept your original wires then that too stayed constant, all that is left is airgap. some OEM wires have as high as 200 ohms per ft, aftermarket down to 30 for Accell.
It takes 10,000Volts to jump 1 cm, so your gaps at 1mm will need 1000 volts to jump, if your new plug is gapped at .9mm now you have an extra 1000 V availible to make that jump. I dont know what exactly your airgap is supposed to be, I'm guestimating.

Smaller gap will be hotter spark. And an electrical current will flow to one point on the ground electrode, not all.

BUT I still think there might be something to it, a traditional plug is like a G where air being compressed has to go around the curved top part of the G at a speed where turbulance and airspeed might affect the air density and less fuel and air get between the electrode and ground, the E3 plug, essentially a W where the center of the W is where the spark starts from, the center electrode, is exposed to the full force of the compression stroke.

But even if at point of ignition there is less fuel air at between the electrode, if it is enough to start a combustion it is all that is needed.

The last thing I can think of that could make it work is introducing the spark at a different area of the combustion chamber, closer or further away form the piston.

 

[trendsetter240]

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I watched the dyno test, seems pretty compelling to me. On their site they claim 2-stroke engines see an even larger increase in hp/efficiency. They also have a claim that the EPA endorsed their product.

I would love to test this myself with my own outboard on a dyno. I looked at their plug charts though and didn't find a match for the plugs I use in my 95 Evinrude 70hp.

If it even gave a 1hp improvement and 5% fuel economy it would be worth it to me. I burn a lot of fuel over a season.

 

[waterinthefuel]

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What plug is it supposed to have in it? I might be able to find the right plug for you.

 

[trendsetter240]

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QL78YC according to continuouswave.com. I am currently using QL77JC4 (manufacturer recommended). Alternates are L77JC4, QL16V and L16V (fixed gap).

All of the above are Champion plugs.

 

[ondarvr]

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That video looks like an advertisement for the plug and they didn't even say if they factored in ambient humidity, temperature, barometric pressure and a few other things to correct for the changes from run to run. Without doing those things its easy to get different results even without changing anything on the motor.

This looked no different than all of those oil treatment products on infomercials that say you can safely drain all of the oil out of your car and then drive around town in 90* temperatures with absolutely no harmful affects. I think some of them even said to drain the radiator. Do you believe those also?



IF and that?s a big ?IF?, it does what they say and creates a larger flame front that burns quicker, it means you just slightly advanced the timing. This would explain the slight increase in power. The problem is your engine is controlled by a computer that won?t allow the timing to be overly advanced, the knock sensor will either retard the timing or richen the fuel mixture so it won?t over heat and pre-ignite. The ignition they used may be different than stock (I would expect it to be with the performance mods they listed) and be fixed, so advancing the timing manually as in the case with these plugs would give a different dyno reading. You can buy programmers that can change the computer settings a bit and adjust power delivery, BUT few of them will actually increase the power or mileage any meaningful amount. They may change the feel and where the power is developed though. These can work well on diesels, but aren?t so good on gas engines that are tuned about as well as they can be with factory parts in place.

You also said you never got better than 19 on highway and then said 22 in the city. I have never seen a vehicle other than a hybrid get this kind of difference (better in the city) if its running correctly under similar conditions. I had two Nissan PU from the 90?s, neither got very good mileage, but it was slightly better than what you stated for yours (maybe up to 22-24 range on the highway). The motor they ran produced slightly over 400HP, yours is rated at about half that I think (didn?t look it up), so if you got the same % increase in HP and mileage they did it wouldn?t even be noticeable.

 

[waterinthefuel]

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I used the same site and got the same number. That QL thing I think is what's screwing us up. It has a note that QL means recessed something and that it's recommended.

Either way I shot out an email to the company using the QL78YC number and I'll get back with you when they return my email.

There is no doubt, after owning my truck for 13 years since brand new off the lot, that it got 22.4mpg city and about 19 on the highway (well, interstate). We can debate for years the why's of why it happened. The fact is, it is undeniable, the highway mileage went from 19 to 27. I know, I was absolutely shocked. Believe me if you want to, my father can verify my mileage as when I was in high school when the truck was new, he was paying the bill and we were calculating the mileage. I've done that for every single tank on this vehicle since new. Not many 13 yo trucks can claim that. I've been watching it's mileage to see if I see any noticeable changes. Nothing. Very flat over the years.

Even if you take my city mileage, 22.4mpg, 27 is a 5mpg increase over that. Nothing with the intake, exhaust, tires, nothing changed. In fact I haven't looked at the air filter in years. I really should! LOL I know my mileage is right because I know a guy with a 98 Nissan pickup and he gets almost the same exact results I used to get.

Anyway, I'm not going to lie because if you feel that was an "advertisement" for E3's then thats how you feel. I'm not here to try to argue. I just wanted to pass along the incredible performance I got from these plugs. Its not only noticeable by me, but by someone else, my uncle. There is NO DOUBT that the hesitation my scoot had when it is cold with the original plug is gone with the E3. That hesitation was IMPOSSIBLE to miss.

 

[trendsetter240]

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I used the same site and got the same number. That QL thing I think is what's screwing us up. It has a note that QL means recessed something and that it's recommended.

Either way I shot out an email to the company using the QL78YC number and I'll get back with you when they return my email.

Cool..let me know. I will gladly buy a set (I only need 3) and run some tests. I have a new GPS, new Tach and new fuel flow meter. That will be connected to a newley rebuilt 70hp 2-stroke in excellent runnning condition.

I love this kind of stuff